Hi, Laura! Thanks for your response. Glad you were popular with the RUFUS Hummers, too. They certainly are "feisty" little things! As to the BAND-TAILED PIGEONS, they've also been really destructive here, but I'm glad you thinned their numbers down in your area. There were a number of BLACK-HEADED GROSBEAKS nesting here & several fledglings, so I was reluctant to take down the feeders. As soon as the grosbeaks left, I tried withdrawing the feeders for two weeks, but the pigeons are still here. Usually, that approach works with every other pest bird, but it didn't this time :-( . Toni South Umpqua -------Original Message------- From: Laura Mountainspring Date: 09/15/13 09:45:19 To: umpquabirds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [Umpqua Birds] Re: Pigeon question; Rufus hummingbirds HI TONI!!! we had easily a dozen Rufus this spring and throughout the summer.....as for the banned tails pigeons...OY last fall there were some 70 of them damaging many of my feeders and Photo roosts.. this summer I let the feeders go empty for about 3 weeks, the number of those pigeons have gone way down!!...about a half a dozen when last seen.. phew~~~ Laura Mountainspring Winston From: Toni McDermott Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 7:52 AM To: umpquabirds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [Umpqua Birds] Re: Pigeon question; Rufus hummingbirds Diana: Hello, I'm Toni, a new member of the list & have been eavesdropping on you for a bit, soaking up local knowledge. I am overjoyed to have found a local briding group, as I've been disappointed in the information I've gleaned from the Portland or Lane County groups (not really all the same birds and arrival/departure times never seemed to match well.) In my location between South & North Myrtle Creeks, RUFOUS HUMMINGBIRDS were really plentiful this season (approximately 3 dozen), and I saw the last 1 or 2 last week. They were feeding heavily recently, which usually signals the start of migration from here. BAND-TAILED DOVES: Since there is a 'pigeon' question, I was wondering if anyone has had an unusual number of them visiting this year? They've been here (4-5 dozen) since March and are becoming unwelcome guests. Toni -------Original Message------- From: Diana Wales Date: 09/14/13 17:24:00 To: umpquabirds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [Umpqua Birds] Pigeon question; Rufus hummingbirds John & Kathy Waite (seriousfisherman@xxxxxxxxx) have a pigeon hanging out at their home that they cant identify head, under wings & belly are white; back, top of wings are black; and theres a black collar/hood. They can also see a band on one of the legs that looks orange. Maybe an escapee? Thoughts? Theyd welcome any ideas/suggestions. Ive also gotten several calls wondering about the sudden disappearance of Rufous hummingbirds from feeders. Im guessing theyve migrated??? Diana Wales