[UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University Heights group
- From: "Aileen2" <aileen@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 21:32:19 -0400
--- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET Message ---------------
Buddy,
I think you confused the intent of my message, the current tagging in our
neighborhood is vandalism, no matter who is responsible. The intent of my
message was to state that it is unlikely that it is being done by gang
members or artists. I appreciate that you don't want the graffiti/artwork
on your property and so do the people who actually get approval before doing
it. There is NOT any artwork is this neighborhood and, I am quite sure,
nothing would be painted without being approved by property owners.
This is vandalism here, but also sure it's not gang related. My message was
to try and assuage the fears of the neighborhood that it is gang related.
Please keep calling the police if you see any minor painting but realize
that the police will continue to disregard making an effort to get to this
area if you continue to do so. They appear to think any call in this area
is over reaction. Last night is a pretty good example that we deserve this
type activity of a toga party because we live in this area. The police will
respond to a call in a timely manner if they feel there is a real threat but
certainly won't if they get repeated calls from people that feel threatened
for no reason.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Buddy" <kemerson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:17 PM
Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University Heights
group
> --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET
> Message ---------------
>
> Aileen2,
>
> I have lived in this neighborhood a long time and I don't care to see the
> graffitti, no matter how artistic it may be to some people. Yes, there
> may
> be a place for it on a designated wall in a neighborhood and that is fine
> if
> that is what you want. I resent having to see residents property in the
> neighborhood "tagged" and marked in such fashion. This so called
> "expression" is not welcome. All it does is bring down the character of
> where we live and if it is not removed in a timely fashion only brings on
> more markings. People from outside the neighborhood that see this might
> think twice about moving here.
>
> I think my concerns are validated with city council. I also think there
> is
> nothing wrong with having a good time at a party, but not at someone
> else's
> expense in the wee hours of the morning. It is not acceptable wherever
> you
> live. Thank you.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aileen2" <aileen@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 7:29 PM
> Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University
> Heights
> group
>
>
>> --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET
> Message ---------------
>>
>> I've been trying to keep quiet about the reactions to what is going on
> here
>> lately but it is against my nature. Regarding the party last night, the
>> music certainly wasn't rap (I sort of resent the inference that it was),
> it
>> was loud and annoying but more certainly a toga party, the music I heard
> was
>> straight from the John Belushi movie "a little bit louder now" but
> never
>> got to the "a little bit softer now" I couldn't determine where it was
>> coming from so didn't call the police but it was just coincidence that I
> was
>> up at 1:30 and in my front room where I could hear it (on Foulke) I
>> could
>> go to the back room and go to sleep with no problem. Still unsure where
> the
>> party was.
>> I'm surprised that someone else knows the location of this party and that
> it
>> is an annual event (I've lived here for 7 years and never heard the party
>> before, perhaps because I don't hear outside noises from my bedroom).
> This
>> sounds like a good discussion for a group meeting to prevent it from
>> happening next year, it was REALLY loud (sounded like it was on our
>> street
>> and concerned about a new neighbor)
>> This is said because I called about a car parked in my driveway for 3-4
> days
>> prior to me calling the police on 5/5 and had to argue with the cop for
>> 15
>> minutes as to why he didn't have time to write a ticket and order a tow
>> because it was Cinco de Stratford and he didn't have time. He never did
>> do
>> anything but argue with me about how I was a bad neighbor to this car
> owner
>> with out of state plates. I also suggested that if the call had
> originated
>> from the gaslight the car would have been ticketed and towed without
> having
>> to contact me.
>> My gaslight neighbor filed a complaint about a car parked on her street
>> Friday and will follow up with her Monday. I will update as to whether
> she
>> had to argue with the Officer that shows up or if she even has to talk to
>> the Officer.
>> I have heard from other neighbors that they are getting the same type
>> attitude from local police. We complain for no reason and should realize
>> that we live in an area that should tolerate certain behaviors. Maybe we
>> need to make the media rather than the police aware of this party if the
>> majority think it's a burden on the neighborhood. The media is what made
> UC
>> finally take responsibility for Cinco de Stratford, UC didn't take
>> responsibility to prevent it, nor did the police until the media was
>> involved.
>> Regarding the "graffitti", I think it's highly unlikely that there are
>> any
>> gang members in the area. It's far more likely that some teenagers or
>> pre-teens have a can of spray paint and too much unsupervised time on
> their
>> hands. The "tags" aren't gang signs, they are kids that are trying to
>> emulate the graffitti artists that sign/tag their art but have no
>> artistic
>> capability. The graffitti artists do some great art (you can see some
>> examples by George Fern or at the bottom of ravine, all approved by the
>> property owners) then they "tag" (sign) their work.
>> The gang members work in an entirely different mode but I don't think
>> this
>> neighborhood is getting tagged by gang members. The stuff that we are
>> seeing is just "wannabe" artists, not gang members, as far as I can see.
>>
>> If someone has different information, I think it would be good to bring
> that
>> up but I doubt that this area has gangs tagging. I believe it would be
>> better to focus on actual threats because suggesting we have gang members
> in
>> the neighborhood gives less credibility than we already have in this
>> neighborhood. We all need to focus what are actual threats rather than
>> calling the police and city council on unrealistic threats.
>>
>> I appreciate Therese starting this group and will try in the future to
> make
>> it to more meetings but, frankly, I didn't think my street was as much
>> concern as Riddle. Therese lives on Riddle so, of course, that has been
> her
>> focus. IThen again, why shouldn't it be?
>> Aileen
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "esrv.net" <ecereb@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "Group:, UHNA" <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 5:38 PM
>> Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University
> Heights
>> group
>>
>>
>> > --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET
>> > Message ---------------
>> >
>> > At about 2:10 am, I and my wife were also awoken by some rappers
>> > yelling
>> > as
>> > loud as they could over the wall shaking boom, boom, booming. This
> went
>> > on
>> > until about 2:45. During this time, my wife and I could not sleep, so
> we
>> > had a conversation. It was more like a question and answer session
>> > with
>> > her
>> > posing the questions.
>> >
>> >
>> > As most of you know, my wife is newly arrived from China, about a year
>> > ago.
>> > Anyway, one of her questions was, "How come the police don't stop
>> > this?"
>> > I
>> > guess, in China one does not mess with the police.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Anyway.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I would also like to respond to Casey's email. Yes, I have been lax in
> so
>> > far as the meetings are concerned. This is partly because my father
>> > would
>> > drag me to neighborhood meetings when I was a kid and saw nothing being
>> > accomplished. Also, when I lived in Dayton in two of the historic
>> > districts, St Anne's and Sough Park, I did attend a lot of meetings
> where
>> > I
>> > saw excruciating slow progress on issues. But, I did like These
>> > meetings.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The reason the historic neighborhood meetings were interesting was: not
>> > only
>> > did they talk about "The issues", but they also addressed old house
>> > restoration and historic preservation.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > My final point is if we don't go, meet, and team up as a neighborhood,
>> > then
>> > the city corporation will decide for us. As you know, the agenda of
> city
>> > government is all too clear. All one has to do is look at the results
> of
>> > the last 30 years, the trends, and the outcomes.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > You-know, I really love my home. We love the neighborhood and we love
> you
>> > the neighbors. I wish we could stay here until I retire and even then
>> > afterwards. Our house is world class and is paid for. The idea of
>> > pulling
>> > up roots and getting a nondescript, paper and balsawood, plastic
> covered,
>> > cracker box, burb ranch for $250,000 is.well.gut wrenching.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you for your time.and we will be at the next meeting.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Steve & Pei Lin Staubach
>> >
>> > www.steves.us <http://www.steves.us/>
>> >
>> > _____
>> >
>> > From: Scullin, Casey [mailto:CScullin@xxxxxxxxx]
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 1:21 PM
>> > To: <you know who you are>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Over the past few months the attendance at the monthly University
> Heights
>> > Neighborhood Association has dropped. With everyone leading busy
>> > lives,
>> > it's understandable that this can happen. But it could also be that
>> > the
>> > topics and issues being addressed at the meetings are not of interest
> nor
>> > meeting the needs of the group or neighborhood.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > With that said, would you please email Kathy Kessler at
>> > Kathy.kessler@xxxxxxxxxx and provide her with feedback as to what you
>> > believe are the issues and topics the UHNA group should be addressing.
>> > Most
>> > often, neighborhood groups focus on quality of life issues such as
> litter
>> > and safety, but are there some annual events (picnic, yard sale) the
> group
>> > could also work on?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Please drop Kathy an email. Thanks for your input.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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