--- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET Message --------------- Aileen, The police will respond to a call in a timely manner if they feel there is a real threat but > certainly won't if they get repeated calls from people that feel threatened > for no reason. What is your point, FEEL THREATENED FOR NO REASON??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aileen2" <aileen@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:32 PM Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University Heights group > --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET Message --------------- > > Buddy, > I think you confused the intent of my message, the current tagging in our > neighborhood is vandalism, no matter who is responsible. The intent of my > message was to state that it is unlikely that it is being done by gang > members or artists. I appreciate that you don't want the graffiti/artwork > on your property and so do the people who actually get approval before doing > it. There is NOT any artwork is this neighborhood and, I am quite sure, > nothing would be painted without being approved by property owners. > This is vandalism here, but also sure it's not gang related. My message was > to try and assuage the fears of the neighborhood that it is gang related. > Please keep calling the police if you see any minor painting but realize > that the police will continue to disregard making an effort to get to this > area if you continue to do so. They appear to think any call in this area > is over reaction. Last night is a pretty good example that we deserve this > type activity of a toga party because we live in this area. The police will > respond to a call in a timely manner if they feel there is a real threat but > certainly won't if they get repeated calls from people that feel threatened > for no reason. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Buddy" <kemerson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 9:17 PM > Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University Heights > group > > > > --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET > > Message --------------- > > > > Aileen2, > > > > I have lived in this neighborhood a long time and I don't care to see the > > graffitti, no matter how artistic it may be to some people. Yes, there > > may > > be a place for it on a designated wall in a neighborhood and that is fine > > if > > that is what you want. I resent having to see residents property in the > > neighborhood "tagged" and marked in such fashion. This so called > > "expression" is not welcome. All it does is bring down the character of > > where we live and if it is not removed in a timely fashion only brings on > > more markings. People from outside the neighborhood that see this might > > think twice about moving here. > > > > I think my concerns are validated with city council. I also think there > > is > > nothing wrong with having a good time at a party, but not at someone > > else's > > expense in the wee hours of the morning. It is not acceptable wherever > > you > > live. Thank you. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Aileen2" <aileen@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 7:29 PM > > Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University > > Heights > > group > > > > > >> --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET > > Message --------------- > >> > >> I've been trying to keep quiet about the reactions to what is going on > > here > >> lately but it is against my nature. Regarding the party last night, the > >> music certainly wasn't rap (I sort of resent the inference that it was), > > it > >> was loud and annoying but more certainly a toga party, the music I heard > > was > >> straight from the John Belushi movie "a little bit louder now" but > > never > >> got to the "a little bit softer now" I couldn't determine where it was > >> coming from so didn't call the police but it was just coincidence that I > > was > >> up at 1:30 and in my front room where I could hear it (on Foulke) I > >> could > >> go to the back room and go to sleep with no problem. Still unsure where > > the > >> party was. > >> I'm surprised that someone else knows the location of this party and that > > it > >> is an annual event (I've lived here for 7 years and never heard the party > >> before, perhaps because I don't hear outside noises from my bedroom). > > This > >> sounds like a good discussion for a group meeting to prevent it from > >> happening next year, it was REALLY loud (sounded like it was on our > >> street > >> and concerned about a new neighbor) > >> This is said because I called about a car parked in my driveway for 3-4 > > days > >> prior to me calling the police on 5/5 and had to argue with the cop for > >> 15 > >> minutes as to why he didn't have time to write a ticket and order a tow > >> because it was Cinco de Stratford and he didn't have time. He never did > >> do > >> anything but argue with me about how I was a bad neighbor to this car > > owner > >> with out of state plates. I also suggested that if the call had > > originated > >> from the gaslight the car would have been ticketed and towed without > > having > >> to contact me. > >> My gaslight neighbor filed a complaint about a car parked on her street > >> Friday and will follow up with her Monday. I will update as to whether > > she > >> had to argue with the Officer that shows up or if she even has to talk to > >> the Officer. > >> I have heard from other neighbors that they are getting the same type > >> attitude from local police. We complain for no reason and should realize > >> that we live in an area that should tolerate certain behaviors. Maybe we > >> need to make the media rather than the police aware of this party if the > >> majority think it's a burden on the neighborhood. The media is what made > > UC > >> finally take responsibility for Cinco de Stratford, UC didn't take > >> responsibility to prevent it, nor did the police until the media was > >> involved. > >> Regarding the "graffitti", I think it's highly unlikely that there are > >> any > >> gang members in the area. It's far more likely that some teenagers or > >> pre-teens have a can of spray paint and too much unsupervised time on > > their > >> hands. The "tags" aren't gang signs, they are kids that are trying to > >> emulate the graffitti artists that sign/tag their art but have no > >> artistic > >> capability. The graffitti artists do some great art (you can see some > >> examples by George Fern or at the bottom of ravine, all approved by the > >> property owners) then they "tag" (sign) their work. > >> The gang members work in an entirely different mode but I don't think > >> this > >> neighborhood is getting tagged by gang members. The stuff that we are > >> seeing is just "wannabe" artists, not gang members, as far as I can see. > >> > >> If someone has different information, I think it would be good to bring > > that > >> up but I doubt that this area has gangs tagging. I believe it would be > >> better to focus on actual threats because suggesting we have gang members > > in > >> the neighborhood gives less credibility than we already have in this > >> neighborhood. We all need to focus what are actual threats rather than > >> calling the police and city council on unrealistic threats. > >> > >> I appreciate Therese starting this group and will try in the future to > > make > >> it to more meetings but, frankly, I didn't think my street was as much > >> concern as Riddle. Therese lives on Riddle so, of course, that has been > > her > >> focus. IThen again, why shouldn't it be? > >> Aileen > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "esrv.net" <ecereb@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> To: "Group:, UHNA" <uhna@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 5:38 PM > >> Subject: [UHNA] Re: Graffitti in University Heights & RE: University > > Heights > >> group > >> > >> > >> > --- University Hights Neighborhood Association - NET > >> > Message --------------- > >> > > >> > At about 2:10 am, I and my wife were also awoken by some rappers > >> > yelling > >> > as > >> > loud as they could over the wall shaking boom, boom, booming. This > > went > >> > on > >> > until about 2:45. During this time, my wife and I could not sleep, so > > we > >> > had a conversation. It was more like a question and answer session > >> > with > >> > her > >> > posing the questions. > >> > > >> > > >> > As most of you know, my wife is newly arrived from China, about a year > >> > ago. > >> > Anyway, one of her questions was, "How come the police don't stop > >> > this?" > >> > I > >> > guess, in China one does not mess with the police. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Anyway. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I would also like to respond to Casey's email. Yes, I have been lax in > > so > >> > far as the meetings are concerned. This is partly because my father > >> > would > >> > drag me to neighborhood meetings when I was a kid and saw nothing being > >> > accomplished. Also, when I lived in Dayton in two of the historic > >> > districts, St Anne's and Sough Park, I did attend a lot of meetings > > where > >> > I > >> > saw excruciating slow progress on issues. But, I did like These > >> > meetings. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > The reason the historic neighborhood meetings were interesting was: not > >> > only > >> > did they talk about "The issues", but they also addressed old house > >> > restoration and historic preservation. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > My final point is if we don't go, meet, and team up as a neighborhood, > >> > then > >> > the city corporation will decide for us. As you know, the agenda of > > city > >> > government is all too clear. All one has to do is look at the results > > of > >> > the last 30 years, the trends, and the outcomes. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > You-know, I really love my home. We love the neighborhood and we love > > you > >> > the neighbors. I wish we could stay here until I retire and even then > >> > afterwards. Our house is world class and is paid for. The idea of > >> > pulling > >> > up roots and getting a nondescript, paper and balsawood, plastic > > covered, > >> > cracker box, burb ranch for $250,000 is.well.gut wrenching. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Thank you for your time.and we will be at the next meeting. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Steve & Pei Lin Staubach > >> > > >> > www.steves.us <http://www.steves.us/> > >> > > >> > _____ > >> > > >> > From: Scullin, Casey [mailto:CScullin@xxxxxxxxx] > >> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 1:21 PM > >> > To: <you know who you are> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Over the past few months the attendance at the monthly University > > Heights > >> > Neighborhood Association has dropped. With everyone leading busy > >> > lives, > >> > it's understandable that this can happen. But it could also be that > >> > the > >> > topics and issues being addressed at the meetings are not of interest > > nor > >> > meeting the needs of the group or neighborhood. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > With that said, would you please email Kathy Kessler at > >> > Kathy.kessler@xxxxxxxxxx and provide her with feedback as to what you > >> > believe are the issues and topics the UHNA group should be addressing. > >> > Most > >> > often, neighborhood groups focus on quality of life issues such as > > litter > >> > and safety, but are there some annual events (picnic, yard sale) the > > group > >> > could also work on? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Please drop Kathy an email. Thanks for your input. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > --- > >> > End -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> --- > > End -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > --- > > End -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --- End -------------------------------------------------------------------- --- End --------------------------------------------------------------------