Thank you everyone. As always, this list answered my question.
Thank you Don for the explanation. Like many things with UEB, I don’t like it
but it helps to understand the thinking behind it.
Kind regards,
Judith
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From: Donald Winiecki
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 3:55 PM
To: ueb-ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ueb-ed] Re: Ed Sign
Sorting through things like this is exactly why we have this listserv! The
rules and ways of EBAE are so highly ingrained in many of us, and getting used
to a new way of doing the same thing can be very tricky!
_don
On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 8:47 AM Jhqbraille@xxxxxxx
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sorry for the misinformation... right for the wrong reasons. I reverted to
EBAE!! Oh my!
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Winiecki <dwiniecki@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: ueb-ed <ueb-ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wed, Apr 17, 2019 10:42 am
Subject: [ueb-ed] Re: Ed Sign
It is correct that UEB disallows use of the 'ed' strong groupsign in
'nosedive' and 'daredevil'.
However, this is not because the groupsign would span syllables -- in general
UEB is not sensitive to syllable breaks as such. Instead, we do not use strong
groupsigns in those particular words because they are unhyphenated 'compound
words'. See UEB 10.11 for details.
(In particular, see UEB 10.11.5, UEB 10.11.6, and UEB 10.11.7, including
examples, for how UEB allows strong groupsigns across prefix and suffix
syllable breaks. These rules address issues that are being puzzled about in
this thread. EBAE was often sensitive to syllable breaks in this way, and that
may be why this is such a bugaboo!)
As above, UEB is different than EBAE in the way it handles these issues.
_don
On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 8:02 AM Jhqbraille@xxxxxxx
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In my humble opinion, that is correct. It should not be used because the
"ed" in each word spans the syllables. Pronunciations may vary, but I do not
think that is the case here. J
-----Original Message-----
From: Judith Furse <info.swindonbraille@xxxxxxxxx>
To: ueb-ed <ueb-ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wed, Apr 17, 2019 9:58 am
Subject: [ueb-ed] Ed Sign
Hi all,
Please can someone confirm something for me?
Am I right in thinking the “ed” sign should not be used in the words
“daredevil” and “nosedive”.
Every time I think I’ve got this sorted I’m surprised by some of the words
in which it can be used.
Kind regards,
Judith
Tel: 01793 976196
Mobile: 07403 646773
Email: info.swindonbraille@xxxxxxxxx
Web: www.swindonbraille.co.uk
