[tn-moths] Re: Sympistis kappa?--Another potential new species for NC

  • From: Larry McDaniel <larrycmcd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: tn-moths <tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ncsc-moths <ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:01:07 -0500

My hobby is photographing insects. I haven't collectied any but I might if I 
had good reason. I agree with you that in some cases it would be the better 
thing to. I also don't have a problem with people who collect regularly. In 
fact I am hoping someone will bring specimens to our nature center so I can add 
them to our display. At the same time I can see how others may feel that 
collecting is wrong. I think tn-moths should probably use photos of live moths. 
I would be interested in hearing more opinions on this if we can keep it civil.


Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:36:41 -0500
Subject: [tn-moths] Sympistis kappa?--Another potential new species for NC
From: jmerrilllynch@xxxxxxxxx
To: ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
CC: parker.backstrom@xxxxxxxxx


Moth'ers,
 
I have seen several individuals at my place in Watauga County, both in 2009 and 
again this year, of a noctuid in the genus Sympistis that I did not recognize.  
I sent one of my pics to Bugguide, http://bugguide.net/node/view/370837, where 
it was tentatively identified as S. kappa #10066.2.  I also sent this photo to 
Bo Sullivan, a Smithsonian moth researcher, who forwarded my photo to Don 
LaFontaine, a Canadian expert.  Don's response follows:  
 
"This is an unfortunate record because it can’t be positively identified and 
may well be a new record for North Carolina – whatever it is. Most likely it is 
Sympistis kappa, which we have from TN (Wilson Co.), OK, KS, AR & IL. It is 
distinctive in male genitalia but difficult to tell from from S infixa [OK, TX, 
TN (Wilson Co.)] in wing markings. However, in S kappa the black line 
connecting the am and pm lines, and the streaks in the subterminal area that 
extend in toward the reniform spot are usually sharply defined in kappa, like 
the picture, but are usually blurred in infixa. We have both species from the 
same place in TN and they are easily segregated there by the wing markings."
 
I'm curious if anyone on the TN listserve is familiar with this species and if 
there are any observers in Wilson County, TN where both species have been 
recorded.  
 
This also raises the issue concerning the collection of specimens.  Up until 
this year, I have focused my efforts on photographing moths and trying to 
identify them based solely on visual characteristics.  However, there are 
instances such as this case where the moth cannot be positively identified 
without dissection.  I'm not philosophically opposed to the collection of 
specimens, if it results in the advancement of science and knowledge such as 
the verification of a new state record or the discovery of an undescribed 
species.  I bring this up because I wonder what others think about this.  I 
have made the decision to start judiciously collecting some specimens when I 
feel there is a good chance that by doing so I can make a significant 
contribution to our knowledge base.  
 
Is anybody else out there grappling with this?
 

-- 
J. Merrill Lynch
Echo Valley Farm
Watauga County, NC
Elevation:  3,400 feet
                                          

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