[tn-moths] Re: Pero spp.
- From: "J. Merrill Lynch" <jmerrilllynch@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 17:00:58 -0400
This verifies the point I made awhile ago about making assumptions the
images on MPG and Bugguide are always correct.
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 4:56 PM, kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Here's what I've been able to find out from a moth contact of mine.
>
> "In honestaria, the PM area of the forewing is generally much less mottled
> than in ancetaria and morrisonia, with an almost nonexistent ST line
> (usually clearly seen as jagged/toothed and white in the other two). The FW
> median band of honestaria also, at the bottom 3rd, makes a straight,
> somewhat basad trajectory to the inner margin, whereas in the other two it
> has a tooth-like indent (as it crosses the anal vein). Honestaria also lacks
> the black spot near the midpoint of the FW outer margin, that may or may not
> be present on the other two. On the hindwing of honestaria, the PM line
> touches nearly the middle of the anal margin, whereas in the other two the
> PM line nearly reaches the anal angle. Finally, honestaria usually has
> smoother wing margins that are not serrated in appearance.
>
> Now ancetaria and morrisonia are more difficult to separate, but generally
> morrisonia is much more mottled in overall appearance and often has a more
> deeply serrated appearance of its wing margins, particularly the HW outer
> margin. Also, in my experience, morrisonia often has some pale spots near
> the FW apex that I have not seen firsthand in any ancetaria specimens. But
> honestaria is usually the easiest to distinguish. Of course individual
> variation is always a factor.
>
> Now keep in mind, a lot of superficial characteristics that were long used
> to separate species, have been turned topsy-turvy with in recent years with
> the genetic mapping of lep species, so I can't say these are concrete."
>
> After I received the above reply, I looked at the pics of P. ancetaria and
> P. honestaria on MPG and knew something didn't make sense so I asked him to
> take a look at the MPG plates.
>
> "In my opinion, *based on the images alone* I would say there's a good
> chance that Bob's ancetaria is actually a morrisonia, and with almost
> certainty that all the images of live honestaria are actually ancetaria."
>
>
> Ken Childs
> Henderson, TN
> Chester County
>
> http://www.finishflagfarms.com
>
>
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> *From:* Larry McDaniel <larrycmcd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* tn-moths <tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; ncsc-moths <
> ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Tue, April 12, 2011 7:20:46 PM
>
> *Subject:* [tn-moths] Re: Pero spp.
>
> Ken,
>
> They talk about a little squiggle in the pm line approaching the costa.
> The pictures on BG and MPG don't convince me.
> I find them very difficult to distinguish.
>
> Larry McDaniel
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 05:11:39 -0700
> From: kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [tn-moths] Re: Pero spp.
> To: tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> I've added more recent sightings to this album. If anyone has thoughts on
> this subject, I'd sure like to hear them!
>
> Ken Childs
> Henderson, TN
> Chester County
>
> http://www.finishflagfarms.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* kjchilds <kjchilds@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* TN Moths <tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Sat, April 9, 2011 8:36:07 AM
> *Subject:* Pero spp.
>
> What is it I should be looking for to tell the difference between 6748 Pero
> ancetaria and 6753 Pero honestaria?
> I've looked at the pics on MPG and Bugguide and some of them look like they
> could fit either species.
>
> Here are 5 I've seen recently.
>
> http://s128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/kjchilds/Moths%202011/Moths%202011%20temporary/Pero%20spp/
>
>
> Ken Childs
> Henderson, TN
> Chester County
>
> http://www.finishflagfarms.com
>
>
>
>
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J. Merrill Lynch
Echo Valley Farm
Watauga County, NC
Elevation: 3,400 feet
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