Hello Gordon, Well, so much for that. I had no idea those folks actually published that stuff themselves.. How about this: Is it possible to ban something that has no exact definition? Here's Rosin: "It consists primarily of tricyclic monocarboxylic acids having the general empirical formula C20H30 O2, with small quantities of compounds saponifiable with a boiling alcoholic solution of potassium or sodium hydroxide and some unsaponifiable matter." From ANSI T621, Analysis of Rosin. If you don't know what "it" is, can you still ban "it"? Steve Smith GD> Steve, GD> The web site already exists. You can find as much as you can stomach at GD> http://www.green-agenda.com/index.html. GD> Gordon -- Best regards, Steve mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.consultingscientist.us http://www.pickensplan.com/