David, We're testing this solution right now with HS20s. The ESX overhead is very small. About 4 GB of drive space with 192 MB RAM for the ESX host OS. After that, I would just scale it like a regular Citrix server. I would say you could get about 4 virtual servers per blade running dual CPU and 4 GB RAM per HS20. That would reserve a GB of RAM per virtual machine. You can probably get about 25-30 average users per virtual server with that configuration, so 100-120 users per blade. These are just estimates. I can post again when we have some hard numbers. On non-VM blades we can get about 80-100 users per blade with 4 GB of RAM, but a lot of disk space goes unused, and the CPUs don't ever get maxed out. To me the VMware setup is a better solution because more servers=more availability and more separation of applications (if you have a lot of rogue apps). Plus you're maximizing your drive space that would otherwise go unused. A blade/SAN solution would probably be the best configuration, since ESX server is SAN aware. We will be testing this configuration as well. Joel W. Stolk Operations Engineer Trammell Crow Company Dallas, TX -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Randy Wood Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:30 AM To: Thin (E-mail) Subject: [THIN] blades & vmware Don't mean to stir up too much by my question, but... Vmware and blades have come into the mix for me again, and I really do not know how many metaframe servers could be achieved on a blade system. Can some of you give me a clue as what I could get? We are looking at IBM. Thanks David R. Wood (Randy) Systems Engineer Southwest Bank of Texas 713.232.6520 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: ************************************************************************ The information contained in this ELECTRONIC MAIL transmission is confidential. It may also be privileged work product or proprietary information. This information is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, disclosure, dissemination, distribution [other than to the addressee(s)], copying or taking of any action because of this information is strictly prohibited. ************************************************************************ ******************************************************** This weeks sponsor Emergent Online Thinssentials Utilities Using the latest software, hardware, networking technologies, proven technical expertise, proprietary software and best practices, EOL provides custom-tailored solutions for each client's mission and specific goals. http://www.go-eol.com ********************************************************** Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: http://thin.net/links.cfm *********************************************************** For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: http://thin.net/citrixlist.cfm ******************************************************** This weeks sponsor Emergent Online Thinssentials Utilities Using the latest software, hardware, networking technologies, proven technical expertise, proprietary software and best practices, EOL provides custom-tailored solutions for each client?s mission and specific goals. http://www.go-eol.com ********************************************************** Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: http://thin.net/links.cfm *********************************************************** For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: http://thin.net/citrixlist.cfm