[THIN] Re: XPe or MPS4 ???
- From: "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:19:01 -0700
XPe holds no comparison to MPS4, the software has come a long way since XP
and I would recommend you simply move forward, the benefits are worth it,
especially when coupled with 2K3. The contractor cost to build the new farm
should be significantly less than the cost of the software...
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
www.thinclient.net
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Melvin.Columna@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:02 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: XPe or MPS4 ???
A policy of the company is to upgrade from Win2K to Win2K3. The option of
XPe or PS4 is the subject of debate. Specially dollars if we move to PS4 or
remain in XPe. One thing we were also debating is the contractor cost of
having to rebuild the box from Win2K+XPe to Win2K3+XPe then again to
Win2K3+PS4
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Melvin Columna
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-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Jeff Pitsch
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 11:49 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: XPe or MPS4 ???
If your switching OS's your going to have to uninstall Metaframe and
reinstall it anyway. Doing an inplace of upgrade of the OS, then inplace
upgrade of Metaframe is a recipe for disaster.
XP is a dead product. Much like Win2k is for MS, you may get a hotfix here
and there but all in all the only support will be for PS3 and 4. If you go
the XP route, you'll end up regretting it. The same can be said of Win2k,
you'll get security hotfixes but you won't get any OS feature fixes. Even
now, if you call for a Win2k hotfix you have to pay for them, you cannot get
them for free anymore.
Jeff Pitsch
On 1/3/06, Melvin.Columna@xxxxxxxxx <Melvin.Columna@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Berny, I think we have both TS CAL and Citrix CAL maintenance.
I just spoke to the folks who do the Citrix installs, they say that XPe is
still under support, but they may force a MP4 ruling since they would then
have to rebuild the box from Win2K+XPe to Win2K3+XPe to lastly Win2K3+MPS4
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-----Original Message-----
From: Berny Stapleton [mailto: <mailto:berny.stapleton@xxxxxxxxxx>
berny.stapleton@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 11:22 AM
To: Melvin.Columna@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [THIN] Re: XPe or MPS4 ???
Sorry, that should have been:
well. So essentially, you have already paid for part of the software side
of things.(
<http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/tsletter.mspx
>
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/tsletter.mspx)
Basically the two components are:
The TS CAL - Which if you had maintenance on Win2k pro when XP was released
you get the Win2k3 CAL for nothing.
The Citrix CAL - If you have maintenance on your Citrix XPe CALs you will
get Citrix MPS4 for nothing.
Long answer is that sooner or later you are going to have to upgrade though.
(Or alternatively change platforms)
Berny
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: <mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Berny Stapleton
Sent: 03 January 2006 16:14
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: XPe or MPS4 ???
It depends, if you have subscription advantage then you should be able to
get MPS4 for nothing. I don't think you can get XPe licenses any longer, I
think you can buy MPS4 licenses and get XPe licenses from the tech support
desks, but I am pretty sure that XPe licenses can't be bought as of end of
last year. (Check with your reseller though)
If you had Microsoft subscription advantage cover of your Win2k clients when
Windows XP came out (24th April 2003) you will find that you will be
entitled to the Win2k3 TS CALs as well. So essentially, you have already
paid for the software side of things.(
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/tsletter.mspx
) If not then you will have to pay for the Win2k3 TS CALs. So single wammy.
If you don't have the Subscription Advantage, then you would have had to pay
for both.
If you have support on your Citrix XPe, then you could well find that you
are entitled to MPS4.
At the end fo the day cost or not, you are going to have to upgrade, Win2k
is already in Extended support, and although it will be around for another 4
years, it's going to be dead soon enough. It's coming up to 6 years old now.
Dollars and cents will should also include the cost of migrating your
platform. You may find that some of the applications that you run on your
Citrix servers at the moment might not be supported on Win2k3.
Soon enough XPe isn't going to be supported. I am pretty sure that it gets
pulled from maintenance as of the end of this year, and it his unsupported
end of next...
Berny
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Melvin.Columna@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: 03 January 2006 15:48
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] XPe or MPS4 ???
Happy New Year Gang,
I guess talking dollars+cents, what is "cheaper", Windows 2003+XPe or
Windows 2003+MPS4 ???
We currently run 10 servers that are Windows 2000/SP3 + XPe/SP3 w/ Sub. Adv.
and our clients are Win2000/SP4 and WinXP/SP1
I hear stuff about double whammy with TS Licenses.
Please reply to the list if you need additional info.
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