[THIN] Re: Server Upgrade Question
- From: "Doug Rooney" <Doug@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:00:06 -0700
Thanks to all who responded, it is all good info, and has the bosses
agreeable to a server, but they asked...
How many users can realistically be supported? We currently have about
20 users, half of which really tax
the system, the others just share files and check e-mail, we will
probably double that in 2 years, and just
for reference, they shuddered at the price of $4500 for a machine.
Thank You
-Doug Rooney
Sonoma TileMakers
IT Systems Administrator
7750 Bell Rd.
Windsor Ca, 95492
(707) 837-8177 X11
(707) 837-9472 FAX
it@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
In a world without walls and fences -
- who needs Windows and Gates?
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Tant, Brian
Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 6:45 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Server Upgrade Question
All good points.
Server class hardware offers a litany of perks over the typical desktop.
Most of these add value under the headings of reliability, scalability,
or performance. Servers are designed to accommodate lots of users doing
lots of things at the same time - which is what you want to do. All
things being equal get a server.
But if you're presently filling this role with workstations, servers can
look expensive. You may not really even really need a server class
machine to run your apps (since you're using workstations now). Server
level hardware offers several advantages, but if you're not
bottlenecking the workstation, you're not going to bottleneck the
server. So unless you're planning to scale out, performance isn't
really a key decision point - or at least one that's easy to sell to
management. But you shouldn't write off scalability or reliability
either.
Maybe a compromise?
With hardware always getting better and cheaper, the line between
high-end workstations and entry level servers is disappearing. An entry
level server gets you many of the key benefits of a server class machine
and a costs the same or maybe even a little less than a developer
workstation. With a little shopping, you can design a solution so that
the powers that be don't have to break the piggy bank and your phone
doesn't ring any more than it has to. If you do have money to spend,
look at upgrading the disk subsystem first. That's where the vast
majority of TS hosted apps choke.
If you need ideas, check out the IBM x3105, the dell PE840, and HP
ML310.
Best of luck. Hope it helps.
-Brian
Brian Tant
Chief Systems Engineer
The Home Depot, Inc
770.433.8211 ext 11912
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Tim Mangan
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 5:34 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Server Upgrade Question
A terminal server, being a shared device, needs to be "server class" due
to the risks of downtime. Of course if nobody remembers downtime that
doesn't do you much good. Upgrading will help performance in the
following ways:
1) Multiple CPU. Buy at least a dual core. Multiple CPU is
necessary in a terminal server so that a print job by user A doesn't put
all other users waiting on an hour glass.
2) Higher speed SCSI disks. Like it or not, your system will be
bound by the disk. Higher RPM disks, and multiple of them (like putting
the page file on it's own spindle) improves user productivity.
These are just the starters, but they are tops on my list.
Tim Mangan
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Doug Rooney
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 4:06 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Server Upgrade Question
Importance: High
Hello all,
I am tasked with getting a new terminal server, we are running MS
Terminal Services and currently our 'servers' are
actually ''souped-up' Dell workstations running Win 2003, I suggested we
go for a server class machine and
I was asked by 'the powers' if it will really make that big of a
difference, So..... What do you all think?
Thank You
-Doug Rooney
Sonoma TileMakers
IT Systems Administrator
7750 Bell Rd.
Windsor Ca, 95492
(707) 837-8177 X11
(707) 837-9472 FAX
it@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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