OK, thank you all. It seems like there is a solution to my problem. I will evaluate all mentioned options. respect, Erik > I have to agree. Both products do what they say they will do. Having seen > both at client sites though I tend to lean toward TScale. I like the > interface better, I like the memory mgmt components, etc. and I just like > the people I have had dealings with better. > > NOW for Armtech I am not saying they didn't have good people or did not do > what needed to be done a client. They did fix a tactical problem the > client > had, and the engineer I dealt with at the client site was knowledgeable in > their product. Just in my dealings with both companies I have been happier > with the responses from RTO and with the product's value overall. > > Ron Oglesby > Senior Technical Architect > Microsoft MVP - Windows Server > > RapidApp, Chicago > Mobile 815 325-7618 > Office 312 372-7188 > e-mail roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > -----Original Message----- > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf > Of Jim Kenzig http://thethin.net > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 8:18 AM > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [THIN] Re: RTO's Tscale vs Aurema's ARMTech shootout > > RTO and Armtech are both fine products and can even be used in conjunction > with each other to get the most bang for your buck. If you are truly > seeking all options there is also Appsense Optimizer at > http://www.appsense.com and Wyse Expedian (which is basically the same as > RTO as well as Relevos by Wmsoftware http://www.wmsoftware.com that you > should evaluate. > Regards, > Jim Kenzig > http://thin.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On > Behalf Of Erik Blom > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 7:13 AM > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [THIN] RTO's Tscale vs Aurema's ARMTech shootout > > > Hi, > > I have a client with 50 users and 2 Metaframe XPa servers on windows 2000 > standard SP4. Both servers have 4 GB RAM which is for 75% (3 GB) consumed > in the afternoon of a typical day. > > This client wants to optimize his memory usage so that when one servers > would die, the other one would be able to sustain the load. I am in the > process of evaluating RTOsoft's Tscale and Aurema's Armtech. At this point > I looked at Armtech which I think only gives me the possibility to put > quota on users CPU and memory usage. What I am looking for really is > something that does pure out-of-the-box tuning so that my server consumes > less memory (be it virtual or real memory) without putting quota on users > server usage. > > Questions: > 1. is this possible? (ie. pure application optimization without the need > to enforce quota) > 2. can this be done by one of these two products? If not, is there a > product that I don't yet know about? > > Thanks a lot for your answers, > > Erik Blom > system engineer > ******************************************************** > This weeks sponsor Emergent Online. > Emergent OnLine is the leading server-based computing consulting > integration > firm in the nation. 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