OK. Interesting one. I had one customer that had this showing up when running a userEnv debug (for logon) and now I have run into another place that has. It seems Windows 2003 specific, but if you turn on the userEnvDebug level to verbose (10002) you see in the log a 11-12 second gap where it says "unable to process autoexec.bat" , I mean WTF, what is this DOS ? Anyway, anyone else seen this. Seems to happen most often AFTER the local copy of the profile has been deleted and a new local def user profile is needed. But the log shows it is copied and all and its not that. I mean how can a 400K profile take 11 seconds to copy.. Thoughts? Ron Oglesby Senior Technical Architect Microsoft MVP, Windows Server RapidApp, Chicago Office 312.372.7188 Mobile 815.325.7618 email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx