[THIN] Re: PS 4.5 on Win2k3 SP2
- From: "Berny Stapleton" <berny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:42:16 +0000
On 14/02/2008, Carl Stalhood <cstalhood@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Can you do a remote discovery from a PC?
>
Haven't tried, I usually leave all the tools on the Citrix servers and
publish them, I don't see the point in installing them on my
workstations.
> Is there a firewall between the WI server and the PS server?
>
Nope. They are in the same subnet too.
> Is the WI server a member of the domain?
>
Yes, although I am not logged in as a DA I have full access rights on
this account across all the boxes.
> Does it matter which PS server you point the AMC to?
>
Nope.
> When you say AMC discovery, I assume you are referring to the PS plugin and
> not the WI plugin?
Correct. I can see the web interface config.
>
> FYI, The Parra release of XenApp will increase the number of consoles. The
> stuff in the java console is moving to group policy. The list of logged on
> users will move to the EdgeSight console. The AMC will be used mainly to
> publish apps but published apps will be assigned to servers using group
> policy.
*cries*
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Berny Stapleton <berny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > Yep, I am fully aware of that, but at the same time, the whole idea I
> > thought of the AMC was to have all the configuration (PS and WI /
> > NFuse) in the same location. So that the CMC dissapears over releases
> > as they add more and more functionality to it.
> >
> > This should therefore mean that OK, I don't have a centralised config
> > for WI, but if I run the AMC from the WI server, I should still be
> > able to see the local files of WI and the PS environment (One single
> > console), why should I have to go to two locations to manage things?
> >
> > We might as well go back to having the CMC for managing the farm and
> > the web site for managing WI / Nfuse, it's still two locations.
> >
> > At the moment, when trying to talk to the presentation servers from
> > the WI I am getting "Citrix MFCOM service did not respond as expected"
> > this functionality I thought should have worked out of the box, sort
> > of like a WI talking to the Citrix XML services in XP and PS.
> >
> > Or am I missing the point?
> >
> > Berny
> >
> > On 14/02/2008, Carl Stalhood <cstalhood@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > The AMC can host multiple plugins. There is a PS plugin and a WI plugin.
> > >
> > > The PS plugin is used to manage the PS farm. That is the plugin you use
> to
> > > view plubished apps, see who is logged in to the farm, etc.
> > >
> > > The WI plugin is used to manage the WI sites.
> > >
> > > One feature of WI sites is that the WI config file can be stored either
> > > locally or in a PS farm. Confimgr is only used if you are trying to
> store
> > > the WI config file in the PS farm.
> > >
> > > My recommendation is to not do that. Instead, when creating the WI site,
> > > choose the option to use a local file. Then you won't have to worry
> about
> > > connecting to PS from your WI servers.
> > >
> > > When you run the AMC on the WI server, the WI plugin might ask you to
> > > communicate with a PS server to find the WI sites configuration files.
> If
> > > you are using local files then there is no reason to connect to the
> > > Configuration Service running on the PS. Instead, choose the option to
> not
> > > contact the configuration service. That is how you tell the WI plugin in
> the
> > > AMC to not talk to PS.
> > >
> > > Note, there are two reasons why a WI server might need to talk to PS
> (other
> > > than the normal app browsing and user authentication communication):
> > >
> > > The WI plugin for AMC talks to PS to discover and manage centrally
> > > configured sites. This communication is for management only and has
> nothing
> > > to do with how WI operates.
> > > WI might be configured to store the configuration files in the PS farm.
> If
> > > so, IIS will periodically communicate with PS to read the config file.
> This
> > > is completely independent of the AMC WI plugin.
> > > To show how this could be confusing:
> > >
> > > If your WI site is configured for local file, the admin might be
> configuring
> > > AMC to discover the config service running on a PS farm. Since the WI
> site
> > > is using local files, using the AMC to discover the config service on
> the PS
> > > farm is not necessary.
> > > If your WI site is configured for central config (store the
> > > webinterface.conf file in the data store), the admin might be
> configuring
> > > the AMC to not discover the config service. If the AMC does not
> communicate
> > > with the PS farm then the admin will be unable to administer the WI
> Sites.
> > > Just keep in mind that WI communicating with the PS Farm, and AMC
> > > communicating with the PS Farm are separate communications.
> > >
> > > I can't wait until Citrix gets rid of the discovery wizard in the AMC
> and
> > > all of this confusion goes away.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 5:13 AM, Berny Stapleton <berny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is exactly it, I can't get this thing to discover remotely.
> > > >
> > > > I have a SQL server, two PSs (Seperate farm) and a seperate WI, the WI
> > > > is also my CTX licensing server and TS licensing server.
> > > >
> > > > If I am on of the Access Console on one of the PSs I can see the farm,
> > > > but if I am on the WI server, and try to connect to the PSs I fail
> > > > dismally.
> > > >
> > > > I have added local machine administrators to the distributed com+
> > > > users group, and I am obviously an admin on the machine. Given the
> > > > group policies forced on to this machine, I have had to add
> > > > ctx_confmgr into the local admins group, this group gives it the logon
> > > > as service etc rights that it needs. So I am thinking that it might
> > > > not be a permissions issue, but at the same time, it still could be if
> > > > I am looking in the wrong place or not thinking of the right thing.
> > > >
> > > > I am using local files for WI, I have tried setting up a configuration
> > > > server before and I thought I was missing something (but wasn't) it
> > > > seems that nobody here has a good idea on getting it working / working
> > > > reliably.
> > > >
> > > > Is it just me or is all this more than just a little bit crap?
> > > > (Especially given how long this product has been around for)
> > > >
> > > > Berny
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 14/02/2008, Joe Shonk <joe.shonk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > Works great.. If you trying to access WI and PNAgent, you need to
> > > install
> > > > > and run the AMC from your WI/PNAgent server. You cannot connect to
> a
> > > remote
> > > > > machine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Feb 13, 2008 9:31 AM, Berny Stapleton <berny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Has anyone actually got discovery from the access console working?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have gone through all the normal steps such as turning on
> network
> > > > > > com+ etc, but still can't get this thing to go, still hunting, but
> > > > > > wondering if anyone found a good guide or the mythical "Magic
> bullet"
> > > > > > answer to getting the servers talking to the access console
> (Trying to
> > > > > > setup web interface and PNAgent stuff) properly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Berny
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