[THIN] Re: OT: My latest blog posting which I made a point to send to Ballmer and friends via email.
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That and me constantly bothering you!
Steve Greenberg
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From: "Joe Shonk" <joe.shonk@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:31:11
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Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: My latest blog posting which I made a point to send to
Ballmer and friends via email.
Well, Vista is the main reason I am now a Mac user.
Joe
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Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 6:51 AM
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Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: My latest blog posting which I made a point to send
to Ballmer and friends via email.
Well said Jim. I have four Vista machines in my company. That's it. I have
NO desire for any more.
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Jim Kenzig http://thin.ms
<jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Here is my one sorta off topic post in a long time. JK
I'd love to here comments and discussion. Either here or on my blog. Am I
wrong? And remember this isn't a RANT this is an OPINION.
OPINION: It is time for Microsoft to start making nice with
<http://kenzig.blogspot.com/2008/08/opinion-it-is-time-for-microsoft-to.html
> competing software vendors if they want to sell Vista. Save your $300
Million!
http://kenzig.blogspot.com/2008/08/opinion-it-is-time-for-microsoft-to.html
This is my Opinion and does not reflect those of any of my employers. I have
never been a Microsoft Basher (in fact I am probably one of their biggest
champions over the last 25 years) But I am really fed up with the hype and
also the infighting between Microsoft and other competing computer companies
and this isn't going to sell me Vista. And since my MVP status was taken
away I'm not going to hold back anymore. (not that I did when I was an MVP
which is probably why they didn't pick me up again in the first place LOL)
NEWSFLASH TO MICROSOFT: Jerry Seinfield
<http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/220605/microsoft-enlists-seinfeld-in-vista-batt
le.html> isn't going to help you sell more Vista licenses to Enterprises
<http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Enterprise-Applications/No-Enterprise-Thaw-for-Vis
ta/> no matter how much you pay him. (and it is $10 million for those who
care.) It is very funny to poke fun at other vendors, but I hate to tell you
that Apple is spot on with most of it's Mac and PC commercials when it comes
to the Enterprise.
I have been trying to roll out 700 Vista machines in our enterprise since
last July (2007!) and at every corner I arrive at a new STOP sign that
prevents me from doing it. Our organization requires several plugins and
pieces of software from many vendors. These vendors deem their software
Vista compatible but in reality they are only Vista compatible if the user
is local and not on a domain or is an administrator.
And some of these programs, whether you turn off UAC, tell them to always
run as administrator, put them in compatibility mode or whatever, still
crash hard
<http://kenzig.blogspot.com/2008/08/watch-out-with-adobe-acrobat-reader-9.ht
ml> as soon as the user account is made a mandatory or roaming profile.
Companies like Adobe
<http://kenzig.blogspot.com/2008/08/watch-out-with-adobe-acrobat-reader-9.ht
ml> , Sun, ADP, Altiris, Symantec seem not to really care whether their
software is fully compatible with Vista. I've had issues with every one of
these companies getting one of their products to work on Microsofts Darling
new OS.
Countless hours of my time have been wasted attempting to circumvent Vista's
built in "security" just to get simple core applications (like Adobe Reader
9
<http://kenzig.blogspot.com/2008/08/watch-out-with-adobe-acrobat-reader-9.ht
ml> ) to work in a domain environment. Sun only certifies the latest
versions of Java to work with Vista and ADP whom refuses to update their
applications like eTime to run properly with the latest version for example
refuse to play. Time keeping is a critical thing here as our employees like
to get paid.
There is a wonderful open source IM application that we are going to use
called Spark <http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/spark/> to provide
support to our customers. Worked fine for local user accounts but as soon as
you put it into a roaming profile, bam, for some reason now you have to be
an administrator to run it. Same for Adobe Acrobat 9 and countless other
programs.
Every program has had a different solution in trying to get it to run in an
enterprise environment on Vista. I really doubt that Microsoft used a domain
with mandatory roaming profiles to the user in it's so called Mojave
experiment
<http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/215241/microsofts-34mojave34-ruse-going-public.
html> . If they did the users would not be saying how great it was.
Dammit Microsoft! I really want Vista to work and to give it to my users. I
really do. I know it isn't your fault that OTHER vendors can't get their
software written correctly to adhere to your stringent security requirements
but it SHOULD be your responsibility to ENGAGE them and assist them in
getting it to work. These are not small companies I am talking about and yes
most have competing products to your offerings. But bringing on the Borg
attitude is not going to win you any customers and comedy is not going to
make it any easier for them to deploy Vista.
Right now the Adobe problem is a project killer for us. Windows XP is
looking mighty fine.
MY ADVICE TO MICROSOFT?
Save your $300 million advertising dollars and go out and use it to send a
couple of code gurus around to these companies and get them to help get
their code to work! You could spend half the money, donate the other half to
charity and sell 10 times more product cause it would WORK!
Jim Kenzig
Blog: http://www.techblink.com
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