[THIN] Re: Moer and more....logon scripts hanging....
- From: "Carl Stalhood" <cstalhood@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:57:10 -0500
Hotfix 69 for PS 4 R01 on 2003 was released yesterday. There is a version
for 2000 as well. It includes a fix for the Citrix Print Manager service
hanging.
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Chris Grecsek
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 3:56 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Moer and more....logon scripts hanging....
We were working with Thinprint engineers during our pilot program.we asked
whether we could only have the one set of printers and they told us we had
to have both <shrug>. I didn't think to call them on it and test further as
they were the experts and had assumed they had this question in the past.
Regardless, at that point in the pilot that was a pretty small issue
compared with some of the other hurdles we were running into.
As for Tricerat and when we had some of the bluescreen issues - it was
probably about 1.5yrs years ago at this point. At the time we were also
testing some of their lockdown tools/other pieces of their suite.there were
a myriad of problems with that set of tools - things didn't work, they came
out with new builds on an almost weekly basis and those builds would make
things that were working stop working.long story short - we didn't have a
lot of confidence in their programming/support crew, ability to put out a
consistent product. I know their printing tools were a little more
evolved/tried and true than some of these other tools but it called into
question a lot of things.and then when you looked at their pricing where
they were essentially making it very worthwhile to buy the suite as opposed
to the single component of the suite.it just made sense to evaluate it as a
whole. Perhaps if we went back and just focused on the printing stuff we
might come back with a different opinion.
I'd be interested in a general poll as to what people are using for
printing.
1) 3rd party drivers on servers
2) UPD only
3) Thinprint
4) Tricerat
:-)
Thanks!
Chris
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Jeff Pitsch
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 1:38 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Moer and more....logon scripts hanging....
Out of curiousity, when using ThinPrint why were you doing the ThinPrint
printers and the autocreated PS printers? why not go with one way and not
confuse the user?
As well, I believe both ThinPrint and Tricerat clients can be combined with
the ICA client installs so you only have one install that needs to be pushed
down to the clients.
Jeff Pitsch
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On 7/28/06, Chris Grecsek <cgrecsek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
First off, our printing is cut and dry/simple.all windows clients are
standard, clean desktops with a completely locked down version of Win XP.
Nothing installed locally. Users come into a published desktop that is
hosted in the datacenter via web interface. Printers are auto-created during
login/based on what you have installed (either locally attached or
networked/shared printers) on the local client. We don't save printers in
the user's profile/published desktop.
Thinprint - cost was substantial. Not a cheap solution. This is a very
flexible product and great if you have some funky clients/difficult printing
requirements. We don't. There are a number of ways you can deploy it for
either clientless setup, having local thinprint server, etc, etc. Like I
said, lots of flexibility but each of the options had downsides and if we're
going to pay the high price we want everything fixed/better - not a mostly
lateral move.
You need to install a client on local clients - there are some configs where
you don't have to do this, but again, tradeoffs. Since we do auto-creation,
users were getting two sets of printers - Citrix and Thinprint.i.e.
confusion for clients. You also had to manipulate the local client (icon in
the system tray) to get it just the way you wanted. Again, great flexibility
but confusing for our users/didn't work all the time. The fact that it
didn't work all the time put us in the same boat as Citrix's UPD.and we were
paying quite a bit more. We also didn't like the way you had to manage the
thinprint ports - we saw a lot of manual work for each one of our Citrix
servers.this product would have essentially caused us to have to "silo"
users to specific servers based on printing needs.this goes against our core
thinking/scalability model of keeping things simple/dynamic.
As for Tricerat - we had some test servers bluescreen as a result of using
their solution. That was a pretty massive flag but we continued testing. In
a nutshell the driverless printing was nice but you also had to install a
client on every local machine and that meant additional support
overhead/complicating the environment. We work in a WAN environment with no
permanent connections to the workstations; we can't use deployment tools so
this is problematic. As compared to the UPD, the UPD works.kinda, but
Tricert was working - kinda, as well so again, we're not making much
progress in moving towards lowering costs/adding functionality/increasing
stability. Oh yes, and there is an extra cost involved...
Believe me - if we could find a product that fixed all of our printing
issues (or at least 90%) of them - we would buy it in a heartbeat as
printing is the #1 headache with our model. I just don't think the product
exists.therefore - we ride the UPD.
If anyone knows better - please enlighten me!
Chris
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Landin, Mark
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 1:01 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Moer and more....logon scripts hanging....
Interesting. What problems did you see yourself introducing with a ThinPrint
or a Simplify? Just curious.
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: <mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Grecsek
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 2:46 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Moer and more....logon scripts hanging....
Make sure you have the latest hotfixes.there are a few new ones that are
directly related to the cpsvc.exe service (the one that bonks). The biggest
thing we did to stabilize our environment was to force all printing to be
done via the UPD (talking about 4.0 of course).
We looked at 3rd party printing solutions but when we did the full
assessment we determined that we'd be solving some problems but really
trading those for a new set of problems.and paying more money for those
problems/confusing our clients. At the end of the day we just decided that
the proper course was to ride the 4.0 UPD and hope that Citrix continues to
stabilize/improve it.
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Schneider, Chad M
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:39 AM
To: ' thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> '
Subject: [THIN] Moer and more....logon scripts hanging....
Having to restart the spooler.which does not always work successfully, which
then requires a reboot.
Chad Schneider
Technology Analyst/Citrix Admin.
Bemis Company, Inc.
920-303-7609
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