The link off that site for the white paper on TS licensing is a great resource as well.=20 http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/howitworks/terminal/TSLice nsing.asp Here's their latest comments on Win2k3 TS licensing. . .=20 http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/ts2003.msp x And here's MS's thoughts on migrating existing TS cals to 2003. Excerpted from this link: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/overview.m spx#transition "Terminal Server Licensing Transition Plan Microsoft realizes that the removal of operating system equivalency will affect customers, and is committed to accommodating existing Microsoft customers who would like to take advantage of Windows Server 2003 features. Every Windows XP Professional desktop license that you own on the date of the public launch of Windows Server 2003 will be eligible for a Windows Server 2003 TS CAL. One of following scenarios will apply: Customers with either platform or operating system component Enterprise Agreements (EAs), or Upgrade Advantage (UA) or Software Assurance (SA) coverage for their Windows desktop computers, will be eligible for a Windows Server 2003 TS CAL-plus SA coverage on that TS CAL for each covered desktop owned at the time of the Windows Server 2003 launch. Customers who own Windows XP Professional licenses, without upgrade rights-no SA/EA/UA-will be eligible for a Windows Server 2003 TS CAL for each licensed desktop owned at the time of the Windows Server 2003 launch, but will not get upgrade rights on the TS CAL." J -----Original Message----- From: Lee, David (CITY TREASURY) [mailto:David.Lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20 Sent: Friday May 16, 2003 7:23 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: ICA and RDP True if your're accessing Windows 2003 terminal services, but the question was about Windows 2000: - http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/server/howtobuy/pricing/terminal.as p -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Deters [mailto:adeters@xxxxxxx] Sent: 16 May 2003 15:13 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: ICA and RDP Our software vendor says that Microsoft stopped including these after the first release of Windows 2000. There is 1 connection license for Windows XP for remote desktop utilization but no TSCALS included in any desktop OS any more. -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marco Cortigiani Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 9:58 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: ICA and RDP Almost positive. But double check either on the microsoft site or with your MS representative, that most of the time will not be aware. We had few discussion about this issue, and I believe that the consensus was that you don't need licenses if you are using MS product. You need licenses when you are starting to use Mac, and other OS. Marco Craig Cameron wrote: >Hmmmm. Are you sure on this? > >I thought TSCALS for Win2k servers were only included in W2k Pro and XP =3D >Pro... > >Would be glad if below was the case. Could save us a fortune! > >Craig > >-----Original Message----- >From: Marco Cortigiani [mailto:tuscan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >Sent: 16 May 2003 01:47 >To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [THIN] Re: ICA and RDP > > >Yes it does you need to licenses both. The good thing is that if you are =3D > >using nt4 w98 xp or w2k the license for the ts client is automatically=3D20 >included. In any cases you need a terminal server licenser server on=3D20 >your network even if you are planning to use just Citrix > >Marco > >bbeckett2000@xxxxxxxxx wrote: > > > >>If using all ICA connections, does Windows TS licensing come into play =3D >> >> >or is it=3D20 > > >>just for RDP connections to the TS server? >>******************************************************** >>This Week's Sponsor - Emergent Online >>EOL's Universal Printer new Features include: >>Network Printing, Pagestreaming, 2400 DPI. >>No Client Software Required! >>http://www.go-eol.com/ >>********************************************************** >> >>For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or=3D20 >>set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: >>http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm >> >>=3D20 >> >> >> > >--=3D20 > > > >******************************************************** >This Week's Sponsor - Emergent Online >EOL's Universal Printer new Features include: >Network Printing, Pagestreaming, 2400 DPI. >No Client Software Required! >http://www.go-eol.com/ >********************************************************** > >For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or=3D20 >set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: >http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm >******************************************************** >This Week's Sponsor - Emergent Online >EOL's Universal Printer new Features include: >Network Printing, Pagestreaming, 2400 DPI. >No Client Software Required! >http://www.go-eol.com/ >********************************************************** > >For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or >set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: >http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm > > > -- ******************************************************** This Week's Sponsor - Emergent Online EOL's Universal Printer new Features include: Network Printing, Pagestreaming, 2400 DPI. 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