[THIN] Re: Citrix to give away XenServer FREE
- From: Greg Reese <gareese@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:23:07 -0600
dang it. did this go throught the first time? sorry if this is a double
post.
Looks like it is official:
http://www.citrix.com/English/NE/news/news.asp?newsID=1687130
the free XenServer, not MS buying Citrix..
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Andrew Wood
<andrew.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> Microsoft won't buy Citrix – there's no technology that Citrix have that
> Microsoft don't already have in-house. Citrix sales generate Microsoft
> revenue – there is no reason that MS needs to take them on board and there
> never really has been imo
>
>
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> *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
> Behalf Of *Greg Reese
> *Sent:* 21 February 2009 18:59
>
> *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [THIN] Re: Citrix to give away XenServer FREE
>
>
>
> So Citrix can give Xen away, erode market share from VMWare, and once
> Citrix has completed this feat, Microsoft will once and for all break down
> and buy Citrix after all these years thus solidifying themselves as the
> leader again.
>
> Greg
>
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Steve Greenberg <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>
> A very important factor to consider here is the larger market picture
> otherwise known as the 800lb Gorilla!!!
>
> . Microsoft has made it clear that virtualization will be a feature of the
> OS going forward. MS fully intends to bundle the hypervisor and sell the
> managment toolsi that is the new market landscape.
>
> In light of that Citrix is best positioned to embrace reality and leverage
> it to support and sell their whole product line.
>
> No XEN is not as mature as VMWare but that only matters if you actually
> need the additional features. XEN actually is a better hypervisor with not
> as good tools, but serves a big segment of the market well. Most of all it
> performs and integrates really well with XenApp and XenDesktop and
> Provisioning Server.
>
> As a result we are delivering amazing integrated solutions with support
> from a single vendor-without huge and complex storage requirements...
> .
> VMWare is great but it ends where people need the most help- Application
> Delivery!!
>
>
> At one time it was inconceivable that hokey MS products could ever replace
> Novell or that free LINUX would ever be adopted in the Enterprise.
>
> From my point of view in the near future Citrix will rapidly advance in
> adoption because it saves real money and solves the more painful
> issues......
>
> Steve Greenberg
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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> *From*: "Stefan Timmermans"
> *Date*: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:37:55 +0100
>
>
> *To*: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Subject*: [THIN] Re: Citrix to give away XenServer FREE
>
> Dear all,
>
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>
> Let me give you a brief feature list of Xen
>
>
>
> Xenserver uses ext3/LVM of Linux > < Vmware uses propriepary VMFS1/VMFS2
> volumes with limitations in number of files and file depth and copying to
> and from other deives (imports/exports)
>
> Xenserver has Xenmotion = Vmotion
>
> Xenserver has NIC Bonding (since Xen5) = NIC bonding VMware
>
> Xenserver has intiuitive Xen commands = Vmware improved on that too in ESX
> 3.X
>
> Xenserver offers performance data = vmwate does that too
>
> Xenserver has Xentools = VMware Tools
>
> Xenserver was les then 1/3 of the Vmware Price and some suggest that on
> Vmworld Xen will be offered free
>
> Xenserver has Xenapp temlates that are optimised for Xenserver , only 2 to
> 7 % overhead compared to physical according to Tolly an independent
> performance report
>
> Enclosed
>
> Xenserver offers High availability meaning resource pools and hostfailure ,
> vmware failover !
>
> Xenserver offers Datacenter failover beit on another way then VMwares
> solution to automate the whole stuff and generate report
>
> Xenserver has an HCL http://hcl.xensource.com/, surely not as
> comprenhensive as Vmware !,
>
> Xenserver uses paravirtualisation & hardware assist runs only on Intel/AMD
> supporting 64 bit CPUs VT or alike CPUs (this is no problem anymore
> eversince august 2006 and later)
>
> Xenserver is working (with HW vendors) / might already have Xenserver from
> USB/Solid State Drives
>
> Xenserver uses the Xenserver diskformat (xva) but you could as easily store
> your files in VHD (MS Hyper V ) format !
>
> XenServer is linked to XenDesktop & Citrix Provisioning server allowing to
> store VHD
>
> Xenserver adds in paravirutalisation for older Redhad (Entreprise Server 3)
> & Suse versions (Suse 9/10) or just as well directly deploy
>
> Native Linux virtualisation embedded in te Linux distribution
>
> Xenserver is very tightly integrated with NetApp (NAS , Network attached
> storage) and the latter supports de-deplucation, meaning that if you store
>
> 10 windows images of windows, it optmises storage that if it findes a file
> on 10 systems, only one file will be kept. The NETAPP add-on allows
>
> to keep track of files on the storage block level ! (no-one can better
> compare files then on blocklevel, consider the way Acronis TrueImage & Ghost
> made backup on block level)
>
> Xenserver initially supported NAS, SAN over HBS but no High Availibility in
> Xen 4/4.1 (has change though from Xen 4 to Xen 5) and Iscsi exists as well
> (though not sure if this one supports HA).
>
> Xenserver DOES not need an standard/entreprise edition of some DB vendor.
> Actually all its data is tored on all XenServers. One being the master, all
> the other ones are standby slaves
>
> That guanatee the operations .Should the master fail, you can't add an Xen
> to the cluster, but need to run 2 commands basically telling that the master
> is dead and nominate a new candidate
>
> As the master .Basically the good old Windows NT PDC and BDC stuff .If the
> PDC broke , you could logon on but can't make changes. All without
> performance hit.
>
> Xen can be configured to work with a spare Xenserver (an empty Xenserver)
> making it the preferred choice to failover.
>
> Xenserver is tighly integrated with Xendesktop (a broker front-end with NOT
> based on RDP and ICA (and this upports more device redirection then any RDP
> based solution !!!!!)
>
> XenServer is integrated with Xitrix Provisioning servern this one van
> stream application to you Xenapp/Citrix Presentation Server 4.5 /5 farms and
> auto load Desktops/Server on your Xenserver !
>
> All you needto do is make several windows/OS builds and set Windows ACLs on
> it. One user is member of finance and loads on a vmware its Windows XP with
> his office & Finance apps
>
> Another guy , belongin to another Global Group has an ERP profiles, starts
> its virtual workstation and loads his ERP desktop. Amazing, it really is.
>
> Moreover, you could even operate Diskless Servers (or blades) all over the
> world, and provision those to run an image (Windows XP only requires 150MB
> to travel the network, Vista 250MB)
>
> Which are executed on the diskless device making use of the remote devices
> mem/CPU and NICs, but writing/caching over the wire.
>
> VMware is still ahead as it comes to DRP (restore) business. On the HA
> level Xen is up to Vmware.
>
> Xen has NFS/CIF support allowing to create SMB/CIFS NFS mount of your ISO
> builds of Linux/Windows from within XenCenter
>
> Xen has the xe command line util allowing from a windows device connected
> to the server/xencenter to launch xen (linux) administration commands just
> as
>
> You can in the Xen linux console !
>
>
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>
> AND still
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>
>
> IT people tend to have problems to absorb all the technology is coming out.
> We all work in our corners believe me .
>
> Once you know Vmware very well , are you going to concede your knowledge
> and go for another vendors solution do you think ?
>
> Many won't. But in these economic climat we might be forced … so the
> current climat is kind of an Citrix/Xen opportunity.
>
>
>
> I work for an major IT company and see that storage technology refreshes,
> network technology refreshed ad
>
> Platform technology refreshes could easiliy run your design that you
> propose if you don't have the complete picture.
>
>
>
> I feel that the Citrix organisation is very smart in developing new
> technologies and makes smart acquisitions, but when it comes to market their
> stuff ???
>
> I went initially to an Partner Exchange event and saw all this in action !
> I really said, Vmware is off the market. Vmware will be the second Novell…
> but no it isn't.
>
> Actually Xen suffers from the strong footprint of Vmware and its channels
> , just as Linux (on corporate level) suffered form the Marketing of
> Microsoft.
>
> I fear that Citrix might decide to burry XenServer it customers are not
> soon stepping in. I think the free price is their last attempt.
>
>
>
> However making it free is not a good idea in these economic circumstances,
> it offers other IT service companies arms to sell in these hardtimes, but it
> doesn't bring
>
> money to Citrix does it ? They'd better spend their money in commercials
> and distribution channel support and contact hardware vendors to get their
> stuff tested and certified and offer possibilities. To buy the product in a
> single package with the Hardware vendors box !
>
>
>
>
>
> So they still have some work to do, but does it pay off ? Is the whole
> acquisition of Xensource merely a cashdrain ?
>
> We soon find out if this last attempt will pay off… If I was the CIO I
> would do otherwise. I would aggressively attack the ITproviders and
> Hardware vendors
>
> And offer integrated solution.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
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> Stefan Timmermans
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> *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On
> Behalf Of *Berny Stapleton
> *Sent:* vrijdag 20 februari 2009 16:48
> *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [THIN] Re: Citrix to give away XenServer FREE
>
>
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> I know shared storage is available in ESX, I have it and am using it now.
>
> I didn't know Citrix had shared storage on XenServer, what are they using
> for a filesystem?
>
> Berny
>
> 2009/2/20 Joe Shonk <joe.shonk@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> What do you mean? Shared storage is available now with VMware ESX and
> XenServer. Microsoft is slated to have shared cluster support in Win 2008
> R2.
>
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>
> Joe
>
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> *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]*On
> Behalf Of *Berny Stapleton
> *Sent:* Friday, February 20, 2009 7:44 AM
>
>
> *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [THIN] Re: Citrix to give away XenServer FREE
>
>
>
> Oh one more thing, lets see who gets their finger out first to do shared
> storage out of the box. (Yes, I know RedHat has it with GFS, but I haven't
> exactly heard of a lot of people using it)
>
> VMWare supports this now with their FS (VMFS) on EMC and NetApp.
>
> 2009/2/20 Berny Stapleton <berny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Xen in different flavours can be gotten from anywhere. MS is giving it away
> with Windows 2003 R2, Xen is available in multiple Linux kernels and
> distributions. So effectively, yes, it is free now.
>
> VMWare have given out ESXi for nothing, but it's the management tools that
> cost (VMotion etc)
>
> If Citrix release all their management tools and everything else for
> nothing, then the problem for VMWare then becomes "What are you guys
> selling, and why should I buy it?". Mind you, that would effectively destroy
> the market.
>
> Berny
>
> 2009/2/20 Andrew Wood <andrew.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
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> But essentially its free **now** isn't it – its free for servers if you're
> not going to do any management on them?
>
>
>
> The hypervisor component is a mere bagatelle imo .. all the major players
> are looking to support the same image type – its essentially 'all cars run
> on petrol' –it's the management of the virtual services, the feeding and the
> watering of them for enterprise solutions – that's where the development and
> license cost is going to go ... as well as services obviously.
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> *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]*On
> Behalf Of *Greg Reese
> *Sent:* 20 February 2009 12:39
> *To:* Thin
>
>
> *Subject:* [THIN] Re: Citrix to give away XenServer FREE
>
>
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> Microsoft is going to love watching a price war.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2009, at 1:47 AM, Berny Stapleton <berny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> Umm, I think EMC still own part of them, but they were seperated and
> floated.
>
> > How come I get the feeling that VMWare is the next Novell!
>
> I hadn't thought about that, but everyone seems to be rallying around Xen,
> and if VMWare don't drop their price, it could well be a right thrashing for
> them.
>
> Berny
>
> 2009/2/20 Greg Reese <gareese@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> Vmware is still an emc company right?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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> On Feb 19, 2009, at 10:57 PM, "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> Not a bad choice this week but after next week the rumors are strong
> that not only is Citrix going to give away the hypervisor, but also the
> Enterprise features such as Xen Motion and storage repositories. It will get
> very interesting, very quickly if this really happens!!
>
>
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> How come I get the feeling that VMWare is the next Novell!?!!?! J
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> *Steve Greenberg*
>
> Thin Client Computing
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> *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> ]*On Behalf Of *Jan
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:24 PM
> *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [THIN] Re: Citrix to give away XenServer FREE
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>
>
> Wow... we recently bought VMware ESX for 7 servers. I'm wondering if that
> was a bad fiscal choice in light of this.
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Tim <timothylanderson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> *Error! Filename not specified.*
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> Free XenServer virtualization hypervisor helps Citrix, partners say
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> *Error! Filename not specified.*
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> By Colin Steele, Site Editor
> 19 Feb 2009 | SearchSystemsChannel.com
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> The server virtualization hypervisor wars are heating up. Citrix plans to
> give away XenServer
> 5<http://citrix.com/English/ps2/products/product.asp?contentID=683148>-- its
> Xen hypervisor, along with live migration, native Windows and Linux
> support and other advanced features -- for free.
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