So what features are included in the free version? They didn't list much in the announcement. On 2/23/09, Greg Reese <gareese@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > looks official now...... > > http://www.citrix.com/English/NE/news/news.asp?newsID=1687130 > > the free Xen server, not MS buying anything. > > Greg > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Andrew Wood > <andrew.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote: > >> Microsoft won't buy Citrix – there's no technology that Citrix have that >> Microsoft don't already have in-house. Citrix sales generate Microsoft >> revenue – there is no reason that MS needs to take them on board and there >> never really has been imo >> >> >> >> *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On >> Behalf Of *Greg Reese >> *Sent:* 21 February 2009 18:59 >> *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> *Subject:* [THIN] Re: Citrix to give away XenServer FREE >> >> >> >> So Citrix can give Xen away, erode market share from VMWare, and once >> Citrix has completed this feat, Microsoft will once and for all break down >> and buy Citrix after all these years thus solidifying themselves as the >> leader again. >> >> Greg >> >> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Steve Greenberg <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> wrote: >> >> >> A very important factor to consider here is the larger market picture >> otherwise known as the 800lb Gorilla!!! >> >> . Microsoft has made it clear that virtualization will be a feature of the >> OS going forward. MS fully intends to bundle the hypervisor and sell the >> managment toolsi that is the new market landscape. >> >> In light of that Citrix is best positioned to embrace reality and leverage >> it to support and sell their whole product line. >> >> No XEN is not as mature as VMWare but that only matters if you actually >> need the additional features. XEN actually is a better hypervisor with not >> as good tools, but serves a big segment of the market well. Most of all it >> performs and integrates really well with XenApp and XenDesktop and >> Provisioning Server. >> >> As a result we are delivering amazing integrated solutions with support >> from a single vendor-without huge and complex storage requirements... >> . >> VMWare is great but it ends where people need the most help- Application >> Delivery!! >> >> >> At one time it was inconceivable that hokey MS products could ever replace >> Novell or that free LINUX would ever be adopted in the Enterprise. >> >> From my point of view in the near future Citrix will rapidly advance in >> adoption because it saves real money and solves the more painful >> issues...... >> >> Steve Greenberg >> >> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From*: "Stefan Timmermans" >> *Date*: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:37:55 +0100 >> >> >> *To*: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> *Subject*: [THIN] Re: Citrix to give away XenServer FREE >> >> Dear all, >> >> >> >> Let me give you a brief feature list of Xen >> >> >> >> Xenserver uses ext3/LVM of Linux > < Vmware uses propriepary VMFS1/VMFS2 >> volumes with limitations in number of files and file depth and copying to >> and from other deives (imports/exports) >> >> Xenserver has Xenmotion = Vmotion >> >> Xenserver has NIC Bonding (since Xen5) = NIC bonding VMware >> >> Xenserver has intiuitive Xen commands = Vmware improved on that too in ESX >> 3.X >> >> Xenserver offers performance data = vmwate does that too >> >> Xenserver has Xentools = VMware Tools >> >> Xenserver was les then 1/3 of the Vmware Price and some suggest that on >> Vmworld Xen will be offered free >> >> Xenserver has Xenapp temlates that are optimised for Xenserver , only 2 >> to >> 7 % overhead compared to physical according to Tolly an independent >> performance report >> >> Enclosed >> >> Xenserver offers High availability meaning resource pools and hostfailure >> , >> vmware failover ! >> >> Xenserver offers Datacenter failover beit on another way then VMwares >> solution to automate the whole stuff and generate report >> >> Xenserver has an HCL http://hcl.xensource.com/, surely not as >> comprenhensive as Vmware !, >> >> Xenserver uses paravirtualisation & hardware assist runs only on Intel/AMD >> supporting 64 bit CPUs VT or alike CPUs (this is no problem anymore >> eversince august 2006 and later) >> >> Xenserver is working (with HW vendors) / might already have Xenserver >> from >> USB/Solid State Drives >> >> Xenserver uses the Xenserver diskformat (xva) but you could as easily >> store >> your files in VHD (MS Hyper V ) format ! >> >> XenServer is linked to XenDesktop & Citrix Provisioning server allowing to >> store VHD >> >> Xenserver adds in paravirutalisation for older Redhad (Entreprise Server >> 3) >> & Suse versions (Suse 9/10) or just as well directly deploy >> >> Native Linux virtualisation embedded in te Linux distribution >> >> Xenserver is very tightly integrated with NetApp (NAS , Network attached >> storage) and the latter supports de-deplucation, meaning that if you store >> >> 10 windows images of windows, it optmises storage that if it findes a file >> on 10 systems, only one file will be kept. The NETAPP add-on allows >> >> to keep track of files on the storage block level ! (no-one can better >> compare files then on blocklevel, consider the way Acronis TrueImage & >> Ghost >> made backup on block level) >> >> Xenserver initially supported NAS, SAN over HBS but no High Availibility >> in >> Xen 4/4.1 (has change though from Xen 4 to Xen 5) and Iscsi exists as >> well >> (though not sure if this one supports HA). >> >> Xenserver DOES not need an standard/entreprise edition of some DB vendor. >> Actually all its data is tored on all XenServers. One being the master, >> all >> the other ones are standby slaves >> >> That guanatee the operations .Should the master fail, you can't add an Xen >> to the cluster, but need to run 2 commands basically telling that the >> master >> is dead and nominate a new candidate >> >> As the master .Basically the good old Windows NT PDC and BDC stuff .If the >> PDC broke , you could logon on but can't make changes. All without >> performance hit. >> >> Xen can be configured to work with a spare Xenserver (an empty Xenserver) >> making it the preferred choice to failover. >> >> Xenserver is tighly integrated with Xendesktop (a broker front-end with >> NOT >> based on RDP and ICA (and this upports more device redirection then any >> RDP >> based solution !!!!!) >> >> XenServer is integrated with Xitrix Provisioning servern this one van >> stream application to you Xenapp/Citrix Presentation Server 4.5 /5 farms >> and >> auto load Desktops/Server on your Xenserver ! >> >> All you needto do is make several windows/OS builds and set Windows ACLs >> on >> it. One user is member of finance and loads on a vmware its Windows XP >> with >> his office & Finance apps >> >> Another guy , belongin to another Global Group has an ERP profiles, starts >> its virtual workstation and loads his ERP desktop. Amazing, it really is. >> >> Moreover, you could even operate Diskless Servers (or blades) all over the >> world, and provision those to run an image (Windows XP only requires >> 150MB >> to travel the network, Vista 250MB) >> >> Which are executed on the diskless device making use of the remote devices >> mem/CPU and NICs, but writing/caching over the wire. >> >> VMware is still ahead as it comes to DRP (restore) business. On the HA >> level Xen is up to Vmware. >> >> Xen has NFS/CIF support allowing to create SMB/CIFS NFS mount of your ISO >> builds of Linux/Windows from within XenCenter >> >> Xen has the xe command line util allowing from a windows device connected >> to the server/xencenter to launch xen (linux) administration commands just >> as >> >> You can in the Xen linux console ! >> >> >> >> >> >> AND still >> >> >> >> IT people tend to have problems to absorb all the technology is coming >> out. >> We all work in our corners believe me . >> >> Once you know Vmware very well , are you going to concede your knowledge >> and go for another vendors solution do you think ? >> >> Many won't. But in these economic climat we might be forced … so the >> current climat is kind of an Citrix/Xen opportunity. >> >> >> >> I work for an major IT company and see that storage technology refreshes, >> network technology refreshed ad >> >> Platform technology refreshes could easiliy run your design that you >> propose if you don't have the complete picture. >> >> >> >> I feel that the Citrix organisation is very smart in developing new >> technologies and makes smart acquisitions, but when it comes to market >> their >> stuff ??? >> >> I went initially to an Partner Exchange event and saw all this in action ! >> I really said, Vmware is off the market. Vmware will be the second Novell… >> but no it isn't. >> >> Actually Xen suffers from the strong footprint of Vmware and its channels >> , just as Linux (on corporate level) suffered form the Marketing of >> Microsoft. >> >> I fear that Citrix might decide to burry XenServer it customers are not >> soon stepping in. I think the free price is their last attempt. >> >> >> >> However making it free is not a good idea in these economic circumstances, >> it offers other IT service companies arms to sell in these hardtimes, but >> it >> doesn't bring >> >> money to Citrix does it ? They'd better spend their money in commercials >> and distribution channel support and contact hardware vendors to get their >> stuff tested and certified and offer possibilities. To buy the product in >> a >> single package with the Hardware vendors box ! >> >> >> >> >> >> So they still have some work to do, but does it pay off ? Is the whole >> acquisition of Xensource merely a cashdrain ? >> >> We soon find out if this last attempt will pay off… If I was the CIO I >> would do otherwise. I would aggressively attack the ITproviders and >> Hardware vendors >> >> And offer integrated solution. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> >> >> Stefan Timmermans >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On >> Behalf Of *Berny Stapleton >> *Sent:* vrijdag 20 februari 2009 16:48 >> *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> *Subject:* [THIN] Re: Citrix to give away XenServer FREE >> >> >> >> I know shared storage is available in ESX, I have it and am using it now. >> >> I didn't know Citrix had shared storage on XenServer, what are they using >> for a filesystem? >> >> Berny >> >> 2009/2/20 Joe Shonk <joe.shonk@xxxxxxxxx> >> >> What do you mean? Shared storage is available now with VMware ESX and >> XenServer. Microsoft is slated to have shared cluster support in Win 2008 >> R2. >> >> >> >> Joe >> >> >> >> *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]*On >> Behalf Of *Berny Stapleton >> *Sent:* Friday, February 20, 2009 7:44 AM >> >> >> *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> *Subject:* [THIN] Re: Citrix to give away XenServer FREE >> >> >> >> Oh one more thing, lets see who gets their finger out first to do shared >> storage out of the box. (Yes, I know RedHat has it with GFS, but I haven't >> exactly heard of a lot of people using it) >> >> VMWare supports this now with their FS (VMFS) on EMC and NetApp. >> >> 2009/2/20 Berny Stapleton <berny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> Xen in different flavours can be gotten from anywhere. MS is giving it >> away >> with Windows 2003 R2, Xen is available in multiple Linux kernels and >> distributions. So effectively, yes, it is free now. >> >> VMWare have given out ESXi for nothing, but it's the management tools that >> cost (VMotion etc) >> >> If Citrix release all their management tools and everything else for >> nothing, then the problem for VMWare then becomes "What are you guys >> selling, and why should I buy it?". Mind you, that would effectively >> destroy >> the market. >> >> Berny >> >> 2009/2/20 Andrew Wood <andrew.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> >> >> But essentially its free **now** isn't it – its free for servers if you're >> not going to do any management on them? >> >> >> >> The hypervisor component is a mere bagatelle imo .. all the major players >> are looking to support the same image type – its essentially 'all cars run >> on petrol' –it's the management of the virtual services, the feeding and >> the >> watering of them for enterprise solutions – that's where the development >> and >> license cost is going to go ... as well as services obviously. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]*On >> Behalf Of *Greg Reese >> *Sent:* 20 February 2009 12:39 >> *To:* Thin >> >> >> *Subject:* [THIN] Re: Citrix to give away XenServer FREE >> >> >> >> Microsoft is going to love watching a price war. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Feb 20, 2009, at 1:47 AM, Berny Stapleton <berny@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> wrote: >> >> Umm, I think EMC still own part of them, but they were seperated and >> floated. >> >> > How come I get the feeling that VMWare is the next Novell! >> >> I hadn't thought about that, but everyone seems to be rallying around Xen, >> and if VMWare don't drop their price, it could well be a right thrashing >> for >> them. >> >> Berny >> >> 2009/2/20 Greg Reese <gareese@xxxxxxxxx> >> >> Vmware is still an emc company right? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Feb 19, 2009, at 10:57 PM, "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> wrote: >> >> Not a bad choice this week but after next week the rumors are strong >> that not only is Citrix going to give away the hypervisor, but also the >> Enterprise features such as Xen Motion and storage repositories. It will >> get >> very interesting, very quickly if this really happens!! >> >> >> >> How come I get the feeling that VMWare is the next Novell!?!!?! J >> >> >> >> *Steve Greenberg* >> >> Thin Client Computing >> >> 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453 >> >> Scottsdale, AZ 85266 >> >> *(602) 432-8649* >> >> www.thinclient.net >> >> *steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx* >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> ]*On Behalf Of *Jan >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 19, 2009 3:24 PM >> *To:* thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> *Subject:* [THIN] Re: Citrix to give away XenServer FREE >> >> >> >> Wow... we recently bought VMware ESX for 7 servers. I'm wondering if that >> was a bad fiscal choice in light of this. >> >> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Tim <timothylanderson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> >> >> *Error! Filename not specified.* >> >> >> Free XenServer virtualization hypervisor helps Citrix, partners say >> >> *Error! Filename not specified.* >> >> >> >> By Colin Steele, Site Editor >> 19 Feb 2009 | SearchSystemsChannel.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The server virtualization hypervisor wars are heating up. Citrix plans to >> give away XenServer >> 5<http://citrix.com/English/ps2/products/product.asp?contentID=683148>-- >> its Xen hypervisor, along with live migration, native Windows and Linux >> support and other advanced features -- for free. >> >> Rest of article at.... >> >> >> >> >> http://searchsystemschannel.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid99_gci1348572,00.html?track=NL-738&ad=690018&Offer=CHSYunsc219&asrc=EM_USC_5906881&uid=1857222 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ************************************************ For Archives, RSS, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: //www.freelists.org/list/thin Follow ThinList on Twitter http://twitter.com/thinlist Thin List discussion is now available in blog format at: http://thinmaillist.blogspot.com Thinlist MOBILE Feed http://thinlist.net/mobile ************************************************