TexBirders, I think more needs to be said about this topic, actually. The Laredo bird and Slaty-backed Gulls in general are *not* “black-backed” gulls. I am certain I overlooked the Slaty-backed Gull on my first afternoon at Lake Casa Blanca on Wed., Feb. 12, because I was erroneously expecting a very dark-backed (blackish) gull. Some of the pics of that individual from the LBF weekend appear quite black-backed. In the late afternoon sun on Wednesday, I kept looking past the one (distant) large Herring-type gull which seemed to have just a slightly darker medium gray mantle. Yet in hindsight, I’m sure it was the Slaty-backed. I believe what Dan’s link to the Surfbirds.com pics of Slaty-backed Gulls was meant to suggest is that the mantle color is variable (a) among individuals, and/or (b) by angle and lighting conditions, and/or (c) by photographic measures. Precisely because the Slaty-backed Gull has an intermediate mantle color, it can seem to be much lighter or much darker due especially to the angle of sunlight and cloud conditions. My experience on Thursday, Feb. 13, with real-time discussion with several birding friends as we looked at the (known) Slaty-backed through 20X to 60X scopes continued to emphasize how time of day, side lighting, and shadows could deceive the eye into believing the mantle color of the Laredo bird could be virtually anything from pale Herring gray to Black-backed. Chuck Sexton Austin Edit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at //www.freelists.org/list/texbirds Reposting of traffic from TEXBIRDS is prohibited without seeking permission from the List Owner