[texbirds] Re: Photography versus sketching
- From: Jennifer Miller <foundnatureblog@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 11:53:16 -0500
Just in case anyone wants to read the Van Remsen publication here is a link
to the pdf:
http://www.museum.lsu.edu/~Remsen/RemsenPubsPDFS.html
It is second from the bottom of the main section. I have really enjoyed
this conversation, thanks!
Jennifer Miller
Lubbock, TX
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Keith Arnold <kbarnold2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Both Jim Peterson and Dan Jones highlight important aspects for documenting
> records, rare or otherwise. Van Remsen of the LSUMZ published an article
> on field notes that would good reading for all birders, though intended
> more for the scientific community; unfortunately, I don't have immediate
> access to that article. Jim did us a great favor by bringing that web site
> to our attention.
> Keith Arnold
> Bryan/TAMU
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Tim Brush <txbrush5@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Amen, Dan, especially to your comments about 1) a trade-off between
> careful
> > observation and snapping photos and 2) going to Mexico or getting a real
> > good camera. I'm with you on both of them.
> > I would only add that for presentations people really want to see good
> > photos.:(
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:46 PM, <antshrike1@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > I thought Cameron's comments were a bit simplistic. Of course a good
> > > photo beats a sketch (usually). But anyone who carries a camera
> > regularly
> > > in the field knows that you don't always get the shot. And in fact
> > getting
> > > the shot often takes a lot of experience and sometimes politically
> > > incorrect methods. Newbies in the field are probably safer to study
> the
> > > bird first and worry about the shot secondly. There's always a debate
> in
> > > my mind for a split second when I have to make the decision, do I study
> > as
> > > much as I can for descriptive details and possibly a sketch later on or
> > do
> > > I go for the photo. In fact my experience in the the field is
> extensive
> > > enough that I can ID the bird without really seeing it well enough to
> be
> > > able to sketch it. In such a case I would be sketching what I thought
> I
> > > was supposed to have seen. And If I make that split second decision to
> > go
> > > for the photo, sometimes I get nothing. And I don't really have much
> to
> > > write in the way of details, even thou
> > > gh my ID was correct, because I didn't really note any field marks.
> > >
> > > Relying on a camera in the field, as I usually do, can result in poor
> > > observation skills. So studying a bird to the point that you are able
> to
> > > sketch it means that you have learned something about the bird. This
> > leads
> > > to experience and making that next identification more quickly.
> > >
> > >
> > > Lastly not everyone can afford a quality camera. Many the time in the
> > > past I had to make the decision, do I get a good camera or take a trip
> to
> > > Mexico. I'm glad I took all those trips to Mexico and got the camera
> > > later. Point and shoots, digibining and digiscoping are OK for
> > cooperative
> > > birds. But when that bird doesn't sit for the shoot, it's good to be
> > able
> > > to rely on some observation skills and sketching ability.
> > >
> > >
> > > Dan Jones, Weslaco
> > >
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