OK all, I am likely confusing yall as much as I am confusing myself here...I wanted to point out that I thought Ring-necked Dove *Streptopelia capicola And Ringed-turtle Dove / African Collared Dove *Streptopelia roseogrisea / .....were different species completely species and I was asking more or less how she was separating it from the former. Since I am not familar with that species/form/hybrid or whatever it might be...as an exotic escapee in Texas though it has been found in Ark. and elsewhere...I agree with Mary that the bird is too hefty to be a "Turtle-Dove" -- Brush Freeman Independent and affiliated Field Biologist 361-655-7641 http://texasnaturenotes.blogspot.com/ Finca de los Alacranes., Utley,Texas