Originally the tuner was not necessarily included, but in the U.S., the FCC ruled that as of a certain date, a HD analog airwave tuner had to be included. Jerry Silverman Greentron Inc 4 Newland Ave Greenville SC 29609 864 232 3889 Fax 271 2080 mailto:greentron@xxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary McCartney" <gary@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:18 AM Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE,Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hotsecretary. > Kevin, your answer to the symbols ;-) is that it is a sideways smiley > face. Sometimes it is just :) > > There seems to be some confusion about High Definition TV in Canada. A > couple of weeks ago someone on the list posted that it wasn't sure if > Canada was going to use the USA version of HDTV or go ahead and use what > the rest of the world will be using. If this is accurate, then how does > anyone know if the HD sets they buy today, are going to work on HDTV in > the future? I would want to research this more before I spent big bucks > on an HDTV set. Hopefully someone can clarify exactly what is happening > in Canada in this regard. Are the so called "HDTV ready" sets we see at > Future Shop capable of receiving HDTV signals, or is there an extra > tuner module that must be purchased? > > > > > > Gary McCartney > > McCartney Electronics > Guelph Ontario Canada > Est. 1984 > email: gary (at) number63.ca > > > > > > Kevin wrote: > > > > He used to own a TV sales/service shop and knows the quality of Hitachi > > sets. He made the decision himself. > > > > I honestly believe that a 10-15 year set (once repaired) will outlast > > many of even the brand new good brands. For example I repaired a 20 > > year old Zenith 5 years ago for a customer and he just phoned me 4 > > months ago for another repair. It does not have the best picture, but > > the customer wanted it fixed. Lately I have seen 5 year old JVC/Sears > > sets with bonded bad yokes that were thrown away because the cost of a > > new tube was worth more than a new set. > > > > I currently own 6 TV's. The newest one is a 1995 JVC, a 1992 Panasonic > > GAOO, 2-1990 Mitsubishi's, a 1987 20" Hitachi, and a 1984 Hitachi. The > > 1984 Hitachi is a model CT2000, and has not broken down once in 20 years > > and the picture looks as good as it did when it was new. I trust the 20 > > year Hitachi more than I do the 9 year old JVC. I am rambling on here, > > but a 10 year old set is not old to me. Caps and solder can be repaired > > but a bad picture tube cannot be repaired. > > > > I am now thinking of upgrading to get HDTV. I am seriously thinking > > about buying a projector to get as big a picture as possible. I will > > still keep my other sets because HDTV only broadcasts are a long ways > > off. But I want the BIG PICTURE. > > > > By the way, where can you get a high quality 35" TV for $600 Canadian? > > The price for a 35" Sony or Panasonic is closer to $1500 I thought. I > > am curious, what does ;-) mean? I have seen many posts with that > > ending. Thank you. > > > > Kevin Wilks > > Kevin's TV & Video Repair > > Penticton BC Canada > > kevintv@xxxxxxx > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tel-Tek > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 7:23 PM > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma > > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary. > > > > Kevin; > > $600 will get you a brand new 35"set. > > Hopefully with a 1 year Warranty. Does he not get Future Shop Flyers? > > Also...your a Technician...what does "Only 10 Years Old"mean to you? > > Caps....Bad solder (Hitachi)...not a god decision to make for a > > "Friend".;-) > > > > -Ed- > > Tel-Tek Electronics > > Ontario-Canada > > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kevin" <kevintv@xxxxxxx> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 9:38 PM > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma > > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary. > > > > > A friend of mine has a 35" Hitachi that needs a new tube. I phoned my > > > rebuilder and he was able to order a brand new original Hitachi tube > > for > > > $595 Canadian. My friend can do it himself, so for him it was worth > > it. > > > He likes the set and it is only 10 years old. By the way, the tube > > was > > > 70% below Hitachi's list price. Someone else's loss is another one's > > > gain. > > > > > > Kevin Wilks > > > Kevin's TV & Video Repair > > > Penticton BC Canada > > > kevintv@xxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tel-Tek > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 6:29 PM > > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma > > > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary. > > > > > > They do...Jeff. > > > But a dying breed. The last CRT rebuilder we have (Hi-Vac) is barely > > > holding > > > on. > > > Even Monitor and R/P are on the way out. > > > Just talked to Roy last week, at Hi-Vac...Direct View are a thing of > > the > > > past. And pricing of new TV's do not make it economical to change > > CRT's > > > anymore. > > > > > > -Ed- > > > Tel-Tek Electronics > > > Ontario-Canada > > > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Shoreline Electronics" <jstielau@xxxxxxxx> > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 9:17 PM > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma > > > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary. > > > > > > > > > > This why I tell all my customers who mention " I want a Plasma set! > > > > ".......no you don't! You'll be sorry in the end. > > > > > > > > CRT based sets rule! > > > > > > > > ========================== > > > > Jeff Stielau > > > > Shoreline Electronics Repair > > > > 344 East Main Street > > > > Clinton,CT 06413 > > > > 860-399-1861 > > > > 860-664-3535 (fax) > > > > jstielau@xxxxxxxx > > > > ======================== > > > > "If you push something hard enough it will fall over." > > > > Fudd's First Law of Opposition - Sir Sidney Fudd > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jim Myers" <jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 3:50 PM > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma > > > > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other manufacturers are doing about the same thing, lots of new > > > products > > > > > are exchange only, no parts available, no service manuals > > available > > > and > > > > > once the product is out of warranty the price to exchange it is > > more > > > > > than a new replacement unit. I'm sure there are laws against some > > of > > > > > this, unfair trade practices, price fixing, etc. but I'm too far > > > over > > > > > the hill to really give a damn. Maybe some organization like NESDA > > > > > should be looking into it. Maybe they are, does anyone know? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************ > > > **** > > > > *************************************** > > > > > Since 1972 > > > > > Jim Myers > > > > > Telrad Electronics > > > > > Fort Wayne, Indiana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed Gaidies wrote: > > > > > > Whole new Rip-Off. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Ed- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tel-Tek Electronics > > > > > > Ontario-Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Doug Keller" <dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 3:08 PM > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway > > > Plasma > > > > > > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Is that all? Only a grand? I figured it would be more when they > > > wanted > > > > > >>$300 just to reload windows. (you need their "secret code" to > > > unlock > > > the > > > > > >>cmos and it must be so classified that they can't tell you over > > > the > > > > > >>phone, by email, or snail-mail) > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Doug Keller > > > > > >>Wis-Kel Electronics > > > > > >>101 Freeland Ave. > > > > > >>Terra Alta, WV > > > > > >>USA 26764 > > > > > >>dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >>dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >>http://www.tech-assist.org > > > > > >>"Learn from the mistakes of others, because you > > > > > >>won't live long enough to make them all yourself" > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>Jim Myers wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>>Gateway refuses to sell parts even with pressure from the > > > customer. > > > > > >>>Return set to customer, Gateway will send someone to fix it for > > a > > > cool > > > > > >>>$1000.00. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>********************************************************************** > > > **** > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > **************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > >>>Since 1972 > > > > > >>>Jim Myers > > > > > >>>Telrad Electronics > > > > > >>>Fort Wayne, Indiana > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>Jim Myers wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>>The voltage goes to zero with the sensor removed. There is no > > > pullup > > > > > >>>>resistor so I'm pretty sure the IC is the problem. I'll try > > > Zenith > > > > next > > > > > >>>>week, maybe the have a similar model. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>********************************************************************* > > > **** > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > ***************************************** > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>Since 1972 > > > > > >>>>Jim Myers > > > > > >>>>Telrad Electronics > > > > > >>>>Fort Wayne, Indiana > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>greentron@xxxxxxx wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>>Do you measure a low resistance to ground on the sensor > > output > > > lead? > > > > > >>>>>Does the voltage on that lead go up to 5 (or maybe 3) volts > > > with > > > the > > > > > >>>>>sensor removed? Is there a pull-up resistor? > > > > > >>>>>J Silverman > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>Tried a different IR sensor, no help, still just three > > tenths > > > of a > > > > > >>>>>>volt on the output pin and ity-bitty pulses from the remote. > > I > > > > traced > > > > > >>>>>>the IR path to IC U4 which is an 80 pin surface mount square > > > > > >>>>>>flatpack, goes to pin 80. Number on U4 is 6413079F18 and it > > is > > > on > > > > the > > > > > >>>>>>board with 2 15 pin VGA, 1 9 pin serial and a flat panel > > > monitor > > > > > >>>>>>connector. Any information on where to get the ic or the > > > board? > > > > > >>>>>>Thanks, > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>******************************************************************* > > > **** > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > ******** > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>*********************************** > > > > > >>>>>>Since 1972 > > > > > >>>>>>Jim Myers > > > > > >>>>>>Telrad Electronics > > > > > >>>>>>Fort Wayne, Indiana > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>Scott Beebe wrote: > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>Hello Jim, > > > > > >>>>>>>If you take out the IR sensor, then that would rule out the > > > > > >>>>>>>receiver. But it > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>sounds like a micro problem to me. > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>Thanx, > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>Scott Beebe > > > > > >>>>>>>Ohm Electronics Inc. > > > > > >>>>>>>609 W. Clinton St. > > > > > >>>>>>>Ithaca NY 14850 > > > > > >>>>>>>Voice: (607) 273-8406 > > > > > >>>>>>>Fax: (607) 273-8743 > > > > > >>>>>>>WWW.OhmElectronicsInc.com > > > > > >>>>>>>mailto:Scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>Wednesday, March 31, 2004, 3:57:48 PM, you wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Are technical questions still allowed? > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> This Gateway GTW-P42M102 has a sticker on the inside > > > that > > > says > > > > > >>>>>>>it is a > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> LG model PDP42WVSN3. The owner says a worker at the > > > office > > > > > >>>>>>>caused a > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> static spark when she reached for the buttons on the > > > front, > > > > now > > > > > >>>>>>>it has > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> the menu displayed over the picture all the time with > > > the > > > > > >>>>>>>cursor bar > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> scrolling up over and over. Also the remote no longer > > > works. > > > > > >>>>>>>The wire > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> from the remote receiver at the connector has three > > > tenths > > > of > > > > a > > > > > >>>>>>>volt and > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> very low amplitude pulses when the remote is > > activated. > > > The > > > > end > > > > > >>>>>>>wire on > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> this 6 pin connector has 5 volts. Sounds like the > > micro > > > or > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > IR > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> receiver got zapped but if anyone has service manual > > or > > > > > >>>>>>>information on > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> this a little help would be nice. > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Thanks, > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>******************************************************************* > > > **** > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > ******** > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>*********************************** > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Since 1972 > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Jim Myers > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Telrad Electronics > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Fort Wayne, Indiana > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---- > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Lost Password: > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login > > > Problems?". > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Email Archives: > > > > > >>>>>>>Jim> //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/ > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ---- > > > > - 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