A "vertical line" is NOT a symptom of vertical collapse A "horizontal line" is NOT a symptom of horizontal collapse. If you want to change the meaning of words, run for a democrat political office. Jeff Farnsworth Lyles TV and Appliance fax 262-723-3658 tech@xxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "al m" <ampm@xxxxxxx> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 7:23 AM Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mitibushi VS 4544 Vertical collapse 2nd try > > Don't get this thing started again.It would be vertical collapse, not > vertical line. > al marquardt > ampm@xxxxxxx > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Gutz" <alg@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 11:52 PM > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mitibushi VS 4544 Vertical collapse 2nd try > > > > > > You can have a vert roll, vert jitter or compression so why not a vert > > line. All problems caused by a defective vert circuit. Only to the > > viewers would this appear to be horz. > > > > Ed on the south thing, wait until noon and then aim towards the sun. > > > > Al G > > > > Ed Gaidies wrote: > > > > > > Gary; > > > I don't want credit...just makes common sense. > > > All Tech's that have serviced TV's are sure to know the difference. > > > If I put out a search for help, when I say vertical, I mean vertical. > Have > > > been know to say vertical line, but then when someone tells me, in > > > directions, turn north or south, I would rather have turn left or right. > > > Farmers always give me those type of directions, on Service Calls, > (turn > > > south on the 6th line)..hehe. > > > > > > -Ed- > > > > > > GARY The above is the reply to your message dated 8/30/02 8:05 PM > > > > > > > > > > > I agree! this vertical/horizontal line stuff does seem petty.Ed has > hit it > > > > right in the nose! > > > > Give him some credit. > > > > Gary > > > > CHAMBERS TV > > > > BRADENTON,FL > > > > SINCE 1982 > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ed Gaidies" <teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > To: "TechAssist" <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 7:19 PM > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mitibushi VS 4544 Vertical collapse 2nd try > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Ken; > > > >> Why don't we just call it a Vertical problem, or a horizontal > problem, > > > >> without describing what the line is showing on the screen. > Technicians > > > > will > > > >> know the difference. We will leave the description of the orientation > of > > > > the > > > >> line to our customers. I have to explain this to my customers too > often, > > > >> over the phone. So on a forum such as this, it will certainly weed > out the > > > >> professionals from the novice. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> -Ed- > > > >> Tel-Tek Electronics > > > >> Midland, Ontario > > > >> Canada. > > > >> > > > >> teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >> teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >> teltek@xxxxxxx > > > >> > > > >> "Quality will be remembered....long after Price is forgotten" > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> gulftech@xxxxxxxx The above is the reply to your message dated > 8/30/02 > > > >> 7:06 PM > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> Bill, > > > >>> > > > >>> I mean no offense, but please clarify. You said " When we increase > one > > > >>> of the screens, a vertical line will come up." Don't you mean a > > > >>> horizontal line? We have been through the vertical/horizontal > > > > discussion > > > >>> before. I had a tech working for me for years that would call the > > > >>> resultant from vertical collapse "A vertical line." Drove me crazy! > > > >>> > > > >>> Check the B+ to the output chip. See if it drops off. Also, change > the > > > >>> diode next to the chip. An NTE125 will work fine there. > > > >>> > > > >>> One other thought. Try some cold spray on the jungle IC. You may > be > > > >>> losing drive to the output. > > > >>> > > > >>> Good luck, > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Ken Smith > > > >>> Gulf Technical Services > > > >>> 3034 Gulf Breeze Parkway > > > >>> Gulf Breeze, FL 32563 > > > >>> 850-934-8324 (Voice) 850-932-0819 (Fax) > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:42:04 -0700 "Bill S" <billans@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > >>> writes: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Hi again > > > >>>> as per the message yesterday, We replaced the Vertical IC 401 and > > > >>>> checked > > > >>>> the vertical yoke plug. The picture will play for a bit and then > > > >>>> goes out. > > > >>>> When we increase one of the screens, a vertical line will come up. > > > >>>> The > > > >>>> vertical IC chip is a LA7845. Any other ideas?? Where is C 286 > > > >>>> located > > > >>>> at?? > > > >>>> Many thanks > > > >>>> Bill Sorensen > > > >>>> New Life Video & Audio > > > >>>> billans@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > >>>> > > > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >>>> From: "Bill S" <billans@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > >>>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 7:59 PM > > > >>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Mitibushi VS 4544 Vertical collapse > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Hi all > > > >>>>> We got this unit in for a no picture sympton. It would play for a > > > >>>> while > > > >>>> and > > > >>>>> then lines through the picture and then no picture. The customer > > > >>>> hit the > > > >>>>> set and it would come back on. Upon checking the unit, We found > > > >>>> that the > > > >>>>> vertical had collapsed. This was a housecall of many miles away > > > >>>> and the > > > >>>>> customer had originally said that it was an RCA and we only > > > >>>> brought the > > > >>>> RCA > > > >>>>> stuff for a CTC169 fix. Anyway, We will be going back. Does > > > >>>> anyone know > > > >>>>> the location number as well as the part number of the vertical > > > >>>> chip and if > > > >>>>> there are any upgrades on this thing? 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