[TechAssist] Re: 1 pound roll solder, 50 feet of chem wick

From: Ed Gaidies <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:48:20 -0400
Ken...
That's not Micro-Managing...that's good business sense.

I'm my only Employee, so I see it. I never have more than 2 of these  
on the Bench.

I only use the 5' version (green). If you want this stuff to work, as  
designed, make sure you snip the used part off on a regular basis.  
Having 2 feet left on the roll, and 3 feet on the used end, absorbing  
your heat, doesn't meet the design.

It's common sense. Using a whole can of Freeze Spay to see changes in  
a problem, also doesn't make sense.

I don't understand why these products make for a discussion, but I  
presume we are all seeing the bottom line on a repair.

     Hang in there Ken...

-Ed-
On Jul 24, 2005, at 2:30 PM, gulftech@xxxxxxxx wrote:

> My apologies to those of you who are getting tired of this thread.
>
> John reminded me of a point I want to make.
>
> First, all solder wick is not created equal.  I have had some rolls  
> that
> just wouldn't work.  I have had the best luck with Techspray No-clean,
> but some rolls of the same brand are better than others.
>
> Second, wick has a limited life.  Did you wonder why wick comes in a
> vacuum-sealed bag?  That is done to lessen oxidation of the  
> copper.  Once
> oxidided, the wick is almost worthless.  I once bought 50 5-ft  
> rolls from
> a distributor at what I thought was a great price.  It was so poor  
> that I
> threw almost all of it into the garbage.
>
> Third, it may be better to get rolls of 25' than 50 or 100.  It  
> depends
> on how much you use.  (Wayne could probably do with the smallest
> available!)  Once the package is opened, the rate of oxidation  
> increases,
> so you end up thinking mean, nasty things about the distributor you
> bought it from thinking they sold you garbage.  For that reason, I  
> only
> open one roll at a time, and roll out 10 feet at a time to other  
> techs in
> the shop.  Also, helps me keep track of wasteful usage.  I can  
> understand
> Perry's situation of working in the home, where desolding stations or
> desoldering irons are impractical, but I cringe when I see a tech  
> waste
> five feet of wick on a flyback.  Yes, I tend to micromanage!
>
> Now, if someone has ideas on the best brand of wick, I'd be  
> interested...
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Ken Smith
> Gulf Technical Services
> 3034 Gulf Breeze Parkway
> Gulf Breeze, FL  32563
> 850-934-8324 (Voice) 850-932-0819 (Fax)
>
> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 13:54:46 -0400 "John @ Myers TV "
> <myers_tv_b@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>
>> I met a fellw once who desoldered with freeze spray. He didn't care
>> that
>> he wound up with blobs of solder all over the board.
>>
>> As for me, I swear by solder-wik. I buy it in 50 ft rolls, but
>> splurged
>> last time for a 100ft roll.
>>
>> John Myers
>> Myers TV Service Co.
>> 376 E. State St.
>> Alliance, OH 44601
>>
>> Voice / Fax: 330-821-6545
>> Myers_tv_b@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> http://www.myerstv.net
>>
>> Work as if you were to live a hundred years,
>> Pray as if you were to die tomorrow.
>>                             Ben Franklin
>>
>>
>>
>> tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>
>>> I have several of those blue spring loaded desolder tubes you cock
>>>
>> on
>>
>>> your knee and push the button. It sucks flyback pins good,and any
>>> massive globs and I use wik on the ICs. You know this is like
>>> anything. Bowling, skeets,baseball,fishing.You can find a dozen
>>>
>> guys
>>
>>> who swear BY one thing, and the other dozen swears AT it. Do what
>>>
>> you
>>
>>> are most efficient with and that's what will make you more money.
>>> Phil
>>>
>>> Phil Bader, Pres.
>>> Jan Phyl TV Inc
>>> Winter Haven, Fl
>>> (863) 299-8821
>>> estab. 1976
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Electric Medic <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:31 pm
>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: 1 pound roll solder, 50 feet of chem
>>>
>> wick
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wayne: I tried those desolder stations one time, it was a Pace. It
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>> was blue
>>>> with a foot pedal and all. Had a long clear hose that ran up to
>>>> the tool. I
>>>> was not coordinated enough to use it. I tried and tried to work
>>>>
>> that
>>
>>>> contraption, I was running solder all over the board. I couldn't
>>>> suck and
>>>> heat at the same time. I would suck after the solder was cool or
>>>> vice versa.
>>>> I would melt the plastic tip so the hole was to big then it would
>>>> slurp up
>>>> chip components. I wouldn't even try it on those tiny areas where
>>>> those chip
>>>>
>> mponents are everywhere. I remember using it on a tuner that I
>>
>>>> replaced on
>>>> some brand and I sucked up a chip resistor and I almost never
>>>> figured out
>>>> what was wrong with that set. Plus, I couldn't use it on service
>>>> calls. I
>>>> know I waste a lot of wick especially on flybacks, I must have 6"
>>>> of the
>>>> stuff hanging with solder on it taking out a flyback, but I am
>>>> used to it.
>>>>
>>>> Perry Bower
>>>> Electric Medic
>>>> "It's Cheaper to Keep Her"
>>>> http://www.electricmedic.com
>>>> 3850 Washington Road  Suite 4C
>>>> Martinez, Georgia 30907
>>>> Phone: 706-8MEDIC4  (863-3424)
>>>> Phone: 706-863-3474
>>>> Fax: 706-863-2316
>>>> mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Wayne Vanaman
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 10:49 AM
>>>> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: 1 pound roll solder, 50 feet of chem
>>>>
>> wick
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Perry, buy a desolder station.
>>>> I put the date on a 50 foot roll of chem wick when I opened it: 26
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>> june2001.  I finished that roll off on 26 June 2005.  Four years.
>>>>
>>>> Not only will you spend less on chem wik, desoldering is faster
>>>> with a
>>>> desolder station.  I spend about a dollar a month on filters. Much
>>>> cheaper than chem wik.  It takes about two seconds to desolder a
>>>> joint,and no damage to the board.
>>>>
>>>> If I used two rolls of solder wik a month, 2x$10=$20 $20x48
>>>>
>> months=
>>
>>>> $960.  I bought my solder station for about $1500 in 1993.  That
>>>>
>>>
>>> would
>>>
>>>
>>>> be 144 months times $20 = $2880 minus the $1500= over $1300
>>>>
>> savings,
>>
>>>> plus the time saved.  My solder station was paid for long, long
>>>>
>> ago.
>>
>>>>
>>>> Wayne Vanaman
>>>> Omega Electronics
>>>> 6904 W Fairfield Dr
>>>> Pensacola, Fl.  32506-3310
>>>>
>>>> Wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> WWW.PensacolaTVRepair.Com
>>>>
>>>> 850-456-5995 voice
>>>> 850-458-6369 fax
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Electric Medic wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Is that correct? 18 Month's for one roll of solder? I never
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> thought about
>>>> it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> and I am not sure how long it takes me to go through a roll. I
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> use off
>>>> rolls
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> everywhere, one in my toolbox, one in the truck, and one on each
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bench. I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> know my wife bought about 20 rolls of the stuff sitting up there
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> on the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> shelf. I think the parts salesperson talks us into a roll every
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> time we
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> order parts. That will probably last me 30 years. Hey, I finally
>>>>>
>>>
>>> was
>>>
>>>
>>>>> good-newsed, I won't have to by solder again. I can retire on
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> what I have.
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> wish the wick would last that long. I must go through those 50'
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> foot white
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> round ones in 2 weeks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perry Bower
>>>>> Electric Medic
>>>>> "It's Cheaper to Keep Her"
>>>>> http://www.electricmedic.com
>>>>> 3850 Washington Road  Suite 4C
>>>>> Martinez, Georgia 30907
>>>>> Phone: 706-8MEDIC4  (863-3424)
>>>>> Phone: 706-863-3474
>>>>> Fax: 706-863-2316
>>>>> mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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