[TCUG] Re: [TUG] Puffin far side heads
- From: "Smith, John C (Carlisle)" <JohnC.Smith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:16:06 +0100
I have never personally been able to see the point of black outs at all. It
would seem to me that pedestrians should be either crossing or not crossing
as in "Walk/Don't Walk" in The USA. I think that the black out only provides
a period of confusion as does the flashing amber on a Pelican. While working
in Hereford we installed some junctions without any blackouts and they
caused no problems. I don't understand why we should have a problem with far
sided indicators at Puffins. I have just spent the weekend in Birmingham
where Puffins appear to reign supreme. I think that they are an abomination
especially where large crowds obscure the view of the near side indicators.
John Smith
CAPITAdbs Cumbria
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From: tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcug-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Leathersich, Robert
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 4:30 PM
To: 'tcug@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [TCUG] Puffin far side heads
Although there are some very definite advantages in nearside indicators i.e.
users face the oncoming traffic, the ability to use kerbside detection, etc.
we are all aware of their limitations. It is obvious that at some sites,
both at junctions and stand alone crossings, far side signals will be
essential.
The Puffin sequence does not use a black out and one reason for the nearside
indicators is that it prevents people being worried if they are halfway
across the road when the signals change.
Many of us (although not me personally) seem to be of the opinion that black
outs on far sided signals are essential and consequently always use them on
junction signals. However unless we (the industry) agree that it is
acceptable for far side signals to change directly from a red man to green
man then we are unlikely to persuade the DfT to allow far side signals at
Puffins.
Are you of the opinion that we should abandon blackouts?
Bob Leathersich
Atkins Northamptonshire
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