i honestly think that darkrooms are an aquired taste...i have always been taught how to use photoshop throughout my college ciriculum. and can honestly say exactly what you have just said, duncan. you can easily photoshop and give a piece effects but for some reason for me, i'd rather run the valves and get the timing perfect then just fire up the car and drive off. that was a pretty cool metaphor for me. but, with all that said, i haven't been in a dark room in over 4 years now...i miss it and i am saving my pennies so i can convert my basement into a dark room/ ceramics studio in the near future...these are both things that i loved doing that i truely miss....i hate doing shit on the computer. it just seems to take the life out of art imho. From: whocanduncan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: [tcb] Re: OT - Darkroom WorkDate: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:27:49 -0600 Hijacked: Re: OT - Digital camera questionI'm not weighing in on the camera other than to say: optics. Regardless of the format.Darkroom work, huh? NOW I have something to say. I was a master B&W darkroom technician. And I sucked as a color tech. I know I'm asking you to accept that at face value and nothing I "say" will sway you one way or the other. With that said, I can do things in photoshop in MINUTES that used to take DAYS in the darkroom. In B&W and color, too. H#ll, I can do things in photoshop that could never be done in the darkroom. I will never go back into a darkroom. Ever.Oh, shooting film can be compared to driving a bus. There's something there that can't be gotten from shooting digital.. .or driving a water-cooled automatic. Think of me as that vw mechanic that never, ever wants to see another bus again. I sold all my commercial gear, which was old school film, and never looked back. The only film camera you'll see me use today are those point-and-shoot boxes you find at the checkout counter. To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: [tcb] Re: OT - Digital camera questionDate: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:34:42 -0500From: wuzmop@xxxxxxx My brother used to do that when we were kids. He's as non artistic as they come, but could photograph and develop some B&W photos that would make a pro take notice. He still has his old school Nikon. He got a nice digi camera, but went back old school almost immediately. -----Original Message-----From: Brian Denning <i_am_cool_fred@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 8:34 amSubject: [tcb] Re: OT - Digital camera question save money and develop your own film ;-) the upfront will cost alot but the end product will be alot cheaper and you will have better control over what you do as apposed to taking it somewhere to have it developed/printed. i'm oldschoool when it comes to that....actually, i am kinda in the market right now for dark room equipment From: ThatVWGuy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: [tcb] OT - Digital camera questionDate: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:06:01 -0500 I really love photography but it is an expensive hobby. For a film camera it is like 40 cents +/- every time you click the shutter not counting the cost of the camera or having enlargements made. I have been thinking about stepping up to a nice Digital SLR camera but they are a little pricey. Does anyone have one they? If so can you share your cost benefit analysis? Thanks Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix". Check it out.= More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail! Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. Play now! _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/