Thanks so much, David. Not gobbledygook. Very enjoyable!!
But no, I do not Fang’s piece on Ruqaiya's verbal art theory in Linguistic
Sciences! Hence, I’m taking the liberty to ask you to send me a copy if you
could/would!!! Thanks!
My view on Jakobson’s parallelism being tantamount to the symbolic articulation
of theme was not accepted by Ruqaiya! Who knows whether Jakobson would agree
or not! But that’s my chapter 3!
Donna
Donna R. Miller
Alma Mater Professor
Department of Modern Languages, Literatures and Cultures
Alma Mater Studiorum - University of Bologna
https://donnarosemiller.academia.edu/
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Oggetto: [sys-func] Re: R: Re: Appeal to accomplishment
Your citation of Fanny Lou Hamer is most apposite, Donna. I'm afraid I don't
write well when I'm fed up. The middle part of the attached (the statistics) is
gobbledygook. I still can't figure out why I bothered with statistical
significance: the numbers are so small I only needed percentages. But at least
it does start with a positive defence of Ruqaiya and the critique of Jones is
right where it should be--near the heel.
Fang wrote a better piece on Ruqaiya's theory of verbal art for Linguistic
Sciences, which I think you already have. Jones was guesting a special issue in
commemoration of the bicentenary of Marx's birth, and he rejected my paper on
educational linguistics, on the grounds that Halliday had nothing to do with
Marxism. But he accepted Fang's because he recognized that Hasan did! So
feistiness pays off sometimes.
Annabelle herself was one such feisty female: I can't really say she was good
to me when I was at Macquarie, but she was good FOR me, and that's all that
matters...
Jakobson's scheme is quite formalistic (as you'd expect) so he has to give an
equal theoretical emphasis to the poetic, referential, emotive, conative,
phatic and metalingual functions. I don't think that's consistent with the
metafunctional principle. Your view is that the poetic function is a kind of
meta-metafunction (a pattern of patterns): that's consistent with Hasan
alright, but I'm not so sure Jakobson would agree.
dk
2024년 4월 12일 (금) 오후 7:37, Donna Rose Miller
<donnarose.miller@xxxxxxxx<mailto:donnarose.miller@xxxxxxxx>>님이 작성:
Yes, David, gender-bias is pretty much always there in criticism of feisty
females, to the fore-front or behind the scenes, but there.
Just got down that issue of Language and Education. Had read what I could
stomach 10 years ago in our library and a quick skim of the stuff still leaves
me with indigestion. I’d be interested in reading your reply in Outlines. Bravo.
Glad you share the fed-up feeling… though, like Fanny Lou Hamer, one can get
sick and tired of being sick and tired too…
Donna
Donna R. Miller
Alma Mater Professor
Department of Modern Languages, Literatures and Cultures
Alma Mater Studiorum - University of Bologna
https://donnarosemiller.academia.edu/
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Oggetto: [sys-func] Re: Appeal to accomplishment
Chris--
There's a basic distinction between proposing an argument and asking a
question.What really happened was that I asked a question about clause
complexing. It was a real question, not an argument.
Then I got a bunch of ungrammatical gobbledygook about the quality of my work
in reply.
Perhaps you forget that it was YOU who raised my accomplishments, not me. But
perhaps your last post is a self-criticism. If so, apology accepted.
Donna--
This in response to the "politics of exclusion" part of your chapter.
Annabelle has made the point that gender bias has a lot to do with the neglect
of Hasan's work, and I am sure she's right. I think, actually, that the style
of proposing arguments and finding logical fallacies is curiously gender
biased, and Hasan was far more inclined to that style than Halliday was. The
argumentative style that is tolerated in men (I am a case in point; Chris an
even clearer one) is often absolutely rejected in female scholars.
But the bias that most disturbs me is even uglier. Peter E. Jones hijacked a
whole special issue of "Language and Education" in order to besmirch Hasan's
work in educational linguistics as elitist and exclusionist. The arguments he
made ("deficit linguistics") are simply barely retreaded versions of Labov's
criticisms of Bernstein, and actually framed as such (because of course Hasan
could make no original contributions of her own, could she?)
When I tried to get him to debate (and even got the editor of Language and
Education on board) he backed out. (I did, eventually, write a reply in
Outlines, which he ignored).
Very fed up with white dudes who use "exclusionism" to exclude the work of our
very best female Asian scholars,
dk
2024년 4월 12일 (금) 오전 7:02, Dr ChRIS CLÉiRIGh
<c.cleirigh@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:c.cleirigh@xxxxxxxxx>>님이 작성:
Dear Scholars,
This week's informal logical fallacy is the appeal to accomplishment.
Appeal to
accomplishment<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_accomplishment> – an
assertion is deemed true or false based on the accomplishments of the proposer.
dr chris cléirigh
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Sangmyung University
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David Kellogg
Sangmyung University
New article with Hailing Yu in Integrative Psychological and Behavioral Science.
"Hot Wind, Cold Sun: Kuhn, Vygotsky, Halliday and Metaphors in Science and
Science Education"
https://rdcu.be/dsX2E
