Hi Pete and all,
I'd love to see that same noise reductioon in studio recorder.
I wonder if it can be brought over from Audacity?
Harry
On 8/22/2016 4:43 PM, Peter Torpey wrote:
Let me tell you, the noise reduction algorithm in Audacity is excellent and
can easily be used to get rid of hiss, ambient room noise, fans, etc. It is
often much more simple than playing around with equalization curves unless
you are trying to get rid of a specific frequency such as 60 cycle noise.
Equalizing without negatively affecting the signal information is a lot more
of an art than using such a noise canceling algorithm.
Also, as far as licensing of plug-ins and effects, it should be noted that
there are many open source algorithms available out there. In addition,
many of these algorithms are well described and can be replicated in one's
own code if there is a copyright issue. For many open source algorithms
that do not permit them to be used in commercial or for profit programs,
they can be loaded as an insert for free by the user. This is why Audacity
doesn't come with the MP3 encoder built in but instead has a link to the
installer in the Audacity configuration dialog. Thus the user can easily
install the copyrighted MP3 encoder themselves as an individual and this is
permissible.
In fact, the way Audacity is set up (as are many other audio editing
programs), one can install any number of free or paid plug-ins for a wide
range of effects, filters, and other audio processing needs. Even this
plug-in capability is not available in SR, so even if one does have some
other favorite processing algorithms one can't use them in SR.
So, there are many options should the developers want to add additional
functionality to SR.
--Pete
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Well, seems to me that the only really addition they should make is
equalization which could help old tapes, for example, where NR is somewhat
subjective, because as all of us know, most people don't know how to
properly use some kind of "sampling" noise reduction, figuring to apply the
whole particular algorithm to the whole file, rather than sampling the noise
only which takes more particular work. :) Listen too, for example what many
so-called professionals have done to the OTR genre, and then tell me they
are "sampling" the noise. :) SHEESH, why not just apply a band-stop type
filter and be done with it?
:)
anyway it is equalization I'd vote first
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On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 11:04:10 -0500
"Neal Ewers" <neal.ewers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Judy. I too wondered about licensing or developine their ownso who knows.
effects. Not a place I suspect SR will go, but then, I don't work there,
Nealaccessible.
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I agree with Neal. Personally, I use the program for podcasting and
interviews. I use a very old xp version of Sound Forge to apply
compression and noise reduction. Even when I purchased sound forge I
had to purchase a separate noise reduction plug-in... I wish all the
tasks could be in one program, but with some of the more powerful ones
special scripts are required. If aph decided to put in noise reduction
(just an example) they would probably have to license it or write it.
Some of the turnkey programs cost a fortune and aren't the most
The ultra programs require a very steep learning curve. 15 years ago Itime.
bought two tutorials for sound forge and did about a month of
studying. I also had to purchase scripts.
As a blind person, sometimes a whole tool box is required to get a job
done...
Regards,
Judy
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Pete, it would be interesting to know the percentage of SR users who
use it for talking book preparation and those who use it to edit
podcasts and other audio. I know SR started out, and still is,
directed to people who do talking books, but what percent of people
who use SR is this? Perhaps if the percent of people who use it in
other ways, APH should start thinking about other possibilities. Of
course, I have no clue what would be involved in doing this. Would SR
need to be totally re-written to do this. Only the programmers know.
And, if this is true, I can see why SR has stayed where it is for a long
I also agree with your first point. If a person needs to have onetheir toolbox the best tool for the job at hand.
application to do all one wants to do and there are several out there,
why not learn them. And this may be exactly why SR has not gone there.
If there was nothing on the market , for example, to do Equalization,
SR might have gone there. But one could say, why bother, if lots of
other accessible apps can do this.
Just some thoughts to ponder.
Neal
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Harry,
I agree with some of what you say and disagree with some other aspects.
First of all, you indicated that you don't have the time to work with
other programs. I would submit that if you have an important task to
perform that can't currently be done with SR then you need to make the
time to learn to use other programs with which the task can be
completed. Otherwise you really are wasting time by not getting the
task completed. Unfortunately there isn't always one "fits all"
solution for tasks that we need to perform in life, and I'm not only
talking about audio production here. The most effective people are
those who have a variety of tools at their disposal and choose from within
That being said, I also would like to see SR grow a bit. SR is not anbefore.
inexpensive program and, like other products, should be planned to
grow incrementally over the years by slowly adding new features as
other products do and not become stagnant. Yes, it would be a big job
to overhaul overnight, but SR has been around for a long time now and
hasn't added any new features that would keep up with modern audio
production directions and requirements. Even for podcast a
multi-track capability is very useful. I think people not only expect
change and improvement these days, but folks will undoubtedly take
advantage of new capabilities to find opportunities to use SR in
interesting ways for novel projects they might not have even thought of
So yes, I too would like to see SR start to move forward but having atime.
number of tools at your disposal that are accessible is indispensable.
--Pete
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Hi Pete, and all,
Here's the thing, the reason I brought this whole thing up is, I don't
have time in my day, like all of you do, obviously, to have to work
with multiple programs.
the world we live in, is fast, and it's going to get faster, and those
who do a task faster, will survive, and those who don't will not, in
the world of work.
I don't have hours, to use multiple programs.
SR has great key commands because of windows key commands.
It would be nice to have 1 program, to do all of what we all want to
do, and studio recorder, has the best keyboard commands to do things.
I here people out here, all the time, saying, "I'd like SR to ...,"
and they're right, it needs to, and I will back those people up, every
Just because it's not designed to do something, doesn't mean, that ithand.
should never be, because it should. If people settle for average,
that's what we get, if we settle for wasting time, using multiple
programs, then we will waste, time, that is a scarce resource today.
Harry
On 8/16/2016 3:24 PM, Peter Torpey wrote:
The tantalizing thing about SR is how easily and efficiently achanging.
visually impaired person can use it. Thus it is natural that folks
would want to see some of these other features included that are
available in other less keyboard friendly applications. It would be
nice to see new features added occasionally and slowly built up over
the years as with most other applications. If folks don't want to
use the new features they don't have to, but the world and
expectations keep
On the other hand, as Neal points out, there will never be a single
application that will cover all audio needs for everyone. People
use multiple tools to perform the variety of specialty tasks
involved in complex audio production and that's just the way it is.
I also use SR along with Audacity and Sonar depending on the task at
I too would like to see the ability to do multi-track recording and
include some effects in SR to make it more flexible in putting
together modern podcasts and other audio material.
--Pete
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Neal,
I agree. Studio Recorder was written to allow talking book producers
to record digital books. To do that, you don't need noise reduction,
multi-tracking, etc. Although I wish it had some equalizer
capability, I'm not disappointed if it never shows up.
Mary
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