It's hard to swallow tha the god that created humans is a reptile. In this
case, Steve, could I play a second character, a Healer of Corella, and of the
Elven race. Hopefully this human reptilian origin is not a truthful fact and
the Elf will denounce it when he can. What beginnning level would you consider
for the Healer, Steve? Right now we're taking big beattings from the demons not
being able to cope with the summoning/gating cycle. What beginnning level would
you consider for the Healer, Steve? On Thursday, March 4, 2021, 10:09:46 PM
GMT, SM Baule <smbaule@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Here are the basic and complete pantheon documents.
On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 3:45 PM Jeffrey Cowen <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I’ll have to find my hard copy of Steve’s pantheon so I have a better idea of
what spheres of interest their different gods are over. Think I put some of his
beginning materials in a folder somewhere trying to keep it together. On
Thursday, March 4, 2021, 03:06:51 PM CST, Tim Farley
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Pomeroy loves Sean. Sean would have hired but for two things: He can't, and
Kendrick had plans for the young man, and the only person Sean has more respect
for than Matilda is Kendrick.
So, while Pomeroy loves Sean, unfortunately, so does this Vrock. And he seems
to want to graphically demonstrate that.
All the Multiple Artorian Specialized Healers in the world are about one combat
round from making Sean's possible decision to leave the party to serve Glanna a
moot point,
I better finish rolling up Edgar Aachen, Cleric of Ulsar.
On Thursday, March 4, 2021, 03:55:33 PM EST, SM Baule <smbaule@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Sean may need Multiple Agnostic Sean Healers in a minute or two. True Farabite
healers do heal more strongly. Maybe hire Pomeroy from Matilda.
On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 2:50 PM Tim Farley <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I think I like Moderately Ambulatory Spiritual Hospital better.
On Thursday, March 4, 2021, 03:47:23 PM EST, Tim Farley
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Uh oh, now Sean is thinking of new way to give away his money......
On Thursday, March 4, 2021, 03:43:44 PM EST, Tim Farley
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Heck, considering the swath of wreckage we leave in our wake, you'd think
we'd have an whole moveable hospital of Farabites seeking to do good following
us....
a M.A.S.H. Mobile Apocryphal Spiritual Hospital......
On Thursday, March 4, 2021, 03:40:52 PM EST, Tim Farley
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I think it might have been in one of the Best Of Dragon issues.
Unfortunately, I lost overwhelming majority of my Dragon collection in Tropical
Storm Floyd. Fortunately, they are all available online at the annarchive, or
something like that. I think Nicole told me that once.
Of course, knowing where you can find them doesn't make it easy to find the
exact issue you need.....
What we really need is for Matilda to get back and Pomeroy to come along with
us. You know, the priest who looks like Zig Zag Hutton.....
On Thursday, March 4, 2021, 03:34:05 PM EST, Jeffrey Cowen
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I think there is but I’m not near as organized as Nicole and if I have the
magazine in question, it would be hard copy, and no idea which magazine or
exactly where it is.
I have Dragon Magazine on cd rom but no idea if it would be compatible with
today’s computers if I knew where I put the thing. I was moving several boxes
around looking for one of my other books the other day and a box full of
Dungeon magazines lost its bottom. Tons of old stuff still around and some
other stuff I had, I have no idea where it is.
On Thursday, March 4, 2021, 02:04:55 PM CST, Tim Farley
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I thought there was a Healer NPC class in an old Dragon....
On Thursday, March 4, 2021, 03:01:05 PM EST, Tim Farley
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Oh, I think a cleric of Ulsar will have something to say
On Thursday, March 4, 2021, 02:59:02 PM EST, Nicole Massey
<nyyki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Clerics spend so much time focused on healing they can be a bit dull to play.
I've been in several games where the cleric is an NPC, and I created a
non-combatant healer class for that purpose. (Needs playtesting)
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I'll play a cleric if John Mac goes down. Hope not!
On Thursday, March 4, 2021, 05:23:49 PM GMT, Tim Farley
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'm already playing three.... though two are usually just for when Steve and I
have spare free time. And I fear one of them is in grave peril at the moment.
Well, two, counting Sean.
On Thursday, March 4, 2021, 12:19:17 PM EST, Antonio Simoes
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Or play two characters if Steve is up to it!
On Thursday, March 4, 2021, 05:08:21 PM GMT, Tim Farley
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Perhaps I will retire Sean and play a cleric of Ulsar. Solve two of Elmore's
problems with a single stroke. ;-)
On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 09:14:00 PM EST, Nicole Massey
<nyyki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I try to balance the character's desires with other factors. Plain and simple,
Carandolana has Entangle, Heat Metal, and Summon Insects, and there's a lot of
times where those have kept the party alive. When I chose to play a druid,
which is very much a clerical type, I accepted that her goddess's desires and
values were far more important than what Carandolana's are. I'm also playing
her like Mother Theresa -- service to one's deity is both alpha and omega.
Yes, there's not enough healing in the party right now.
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Subject: [stoddard] Re: Healing for all (well sort of)
Something you don’t seem to understand, is rules vs fun. We hired how many
fighters, lost a cleric ; require double loading magic one day, go in to a
fight with 7 out of 15 slots used for healing including higher level slots for
lower level magic just to keep people conscious. First contact with a foe and 5
of those heals are gone and soon the entire group is bloody again and you don’t
expect me to look for ways to improve Elmore’s situation so it can become
somewhat fun playing him again. One thing is certain. Hire a bunch of hirelings
, need to hire some clerics too. I understand, my playing later edition games
has probably spoiled me a bit, but I’m also not used to being the only actual
cleric in a group of 16 or more. Cara helps on heal days but even she gets to
fully weaponize on fight days so may not understand the frustration I’m dealing
with here, not getting to do a lot more than just heal . It isn’t something the
other characters face either. Not enough cleric to go around and wonder why I
might look for things to improve his situation. I’ll try to let this rant go,
but as you well know by now, I’m bad at it at times. So glad I’m actually
playing the Druid in the other game. I can help the cleric without it seeming
to be my job.
On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 04:08:20 PM CST, Tim Farley
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
I discussed costs. I never brought Sean up. As a longtime wargamer, I never
make rules, house or otherwise, with a specific party in mind, I always make
rules as generically as possible. The cost analysis, which never included
Sean, was simply used to show the balance of considerations made when tweaking
such a system.
I can see I touched a nerve. I won't brooch the subject any more. That's
between you and Steve.
On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 05:02:52 PM EST, Jeffrey Cowen
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
It is a comparison of the cost of his work to the potential comparison of the
cost of Elmore's work. You put yourself in the discussion of the costs.
On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 4:00:54 PM CST, Tim Farley
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
then I really have no comprehension as to why you keep bringing him up.
On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 04:58:44 PM EST, Jeffrey Cowen
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
Not going into character, he's not even discussed the possibility of spell
research with the ranger.
On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 3:51:04 PM CST, Tim Farley
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
If you are going into character, I'd remind you that Sean is otherwise occupied
right now, and really has little interest in engaging with Elmore any more than
is absolutely necessary. Get preachy on your own time, Speaker. And stay away
from the short-lived human ranger. He's apparently not good for your blood
pressure.
Yeah, I get it, Sean is having more fun than Elmore. At least in Elmore's
mind. We live and die by our choices. Not sure why your choices are supposed
to be Sean's problem.
I don't know where you've ever gotten a 50gp healing potion. Must have been
professional courtesy to get it that cheap.
On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 04:40:24 PM EST, Jeffrey Cowen
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
It's not so much a matter of more urbane than short lived stinky humans that
I'm trying to bring up. It's more a matter of cost for him to be able to
reasonably keep up with the horde of people running around to heal without
bankrupting himself in the process. Must be nice having so much free time on
one's hands that one can be a chaos brother. There are times he might have
accompanied earlier or now in his career if he had that kind of time. Hired all
these people without also hiring a priest to take care of them. Must be nice
not having those concerns. Proposed magic is a 3rd level spell. I don't care if
it costs 100 gold a casting but costing twice what a healing potion cost for
each casting he does seems a bit much. Maybe I need to look at what the
original spell I got the inspiration from cost for frame of reference, of
course in that system healing is a lot more common. Healing spells at every
level and they all improve as the caster levels so it isn't as needed and isn't
as worth as much.
On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 2:53:33 PM CST, Tim Farley
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
I wasn't talking specifics, I was talking metagaming theory. My point, since I
apparently failed to make it clear, is that it works kinda like contracting;
you can have it done fast, cheap or right. Pick two. You want a spell to
maximize your healing abilities. You seem to think you can research what your
God's powers ought to be (something I wouldn't allow in my game, making spell
research a particularly arcane endeavor, not a divine one, but that is neither
hither nor tither, though I would allow you to implore your god, which I
suppose is effectively the same thing, but certainly nit functionally the
same). You are looking for a spell to rig your rolls. OK. That should cost.
So, in the contracting trio analogy, you get what you want, you get it fairly
readily, but you don't get it cheap. If you got it cheap and easily, it
shouldn't work as effectively as you want. If you got it cheap and it worked
right, it should probably take more time to cast than would be useful in a
combat-like setting. Otherwise, you are looking at a Monty Haul-like situation
with the interpretation of how the magic you want should work.
Again this was just an academic exercise, since I am stuck in a training that
is a waste of my time, but at least I can put it on my second screen and check
my emails on my first screen. I certainly didn't mean for this to devolve into
an "Elmore is more urbane than you short lived stinky human types" argument.
We have enough of them in character. I'm just explaining how I would 'rule' on
it were I the DM.
On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 03:39:51 PM EST, Jeffrey Cowen
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
More magic potions? Who's supposed to be paying for those? We drink them about
as fast as we get them. Elmore does not plan on living in a whole in the
ground. Some savings for future is necessary both for troups, sigils,
construction and expense of living. Money seems a lot more flexible and
relative thing to some than to others it would seem. He already fully loaded
every spell he had for healing for round one, and began sleeping for a round
two as round one still was not enough. He wants to do scrolls for spells he
doesn't use on a daily basis but are handy to have. That will also cost I am
sure, likely a lot more than 100 arrows now and then.
On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 2:03:26 PM CST, Tim Farley
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
Just brainstorming. Frankly, though, I don't see that as a problem, either
from a player's perspective or a referee's perspective. Citrines are probably
way more common than healing potions. And you are paying to load the dice, not
to heal. How much does a luck potion cost? You could, if you wish, just cast
more spells or use more magic potions. Monetary value is a flexible, relative
thing.
On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 02:59:20 PM EST, Jeffrey Cowen
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
Maximizing 5 cure light wounds would cost double what 5 cure light wounds
potions would cost.
On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 1:11:38 PM CST, Tim Farley
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
Sean has great regard for Matilda. Not that his regard is a factor in this
exploration.
To borrow a line from the movie, "Well, I can assure you, sir, because of my
intimate relations with the Almighty, if you write a good prayer, we'll have
good weather." Only, in this case, if you write a good prayer, you'll maximize
your effects.
At the risk of sounding medieval Catholic, maybe something in which a monetary
sacrifice is made.... the buying of indulgences, and such....
Just thinking out loud. In Dunbarrow, the Goddess of Healing already does the
max for devout clerics. But I already like they idea of paying for better
results....
The material component is a 100gp orange citrine or such per level of spell
effect to be maximized.... want to maximize five CLWs, cough up five 100gp
citrines. Maximize a CSW, that is, what, a third level spell? so a 300 gp
citrine?
Now I am going to have to go and watch Patton again.
On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 01:06:37 PM EST, Jeffrey Cowen
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
Plan is to work with Matilda on either devising this prayer or uncovering it if
it exists as a long lost magic. Her being a Farabite and probably a bit more
cerebral than Elmore, he figured she'd be a good choice. Kendrick had hoped
they might develop a close working relationship. I think she plans on creating
an abbey or some such at some point. When the faiths are reasonably close,
interfaith works reasonably well.
On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 11:54:31 AM CST, Tim Farley
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
Maybe some crossfaith bolstering. A Farabite tweak on an Artorian healing
spell....
On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 12:46:09 PM EST, Jeffrey Cowen
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
Yes, in theory, the prayer would maximize Healing spells and magics used while
the spell is in effect. Such would be very helpful at preventing the spells
from getting minimal effect.
On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, 11:13:02 AM CST, Tim Farley
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
You want to research a prayer? Interesting. Your god gives them to you.
Now I am reminded of the army chaplain who wrote the prayer for better weather
at Patton's request. His great niece is marrying my brother. In theory.
On Tuesday, March 2, 2021, 10:08:55 PM EST, SM Baule <smbaule@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:smbaule@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
Matilda would be an exceptional choice for several obvious reasons. While
Carnodolana and Elmore are resting to work on healing round number 2, Sean or
whoever is watching the front entrance will notice that the grease is burnt off
with a fairly large burst of flame. Shortly thereafter, there is a bunch of
noise and several vulture looking demons crawling out. They are followed by a
large frog looking thing.
What is the party wishing to do.
On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 2:48 PM Jeffrey Cowen <jeffreyh_1969texas@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jeffreyh_1969texas@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:jeffreyh_1969texas@xxxxxxxxx ;
<mailto:jeffreyh_1969texas@xxxxxxxxx> > > wrote:
Elmore will repeat process if that is ok with another full load after going
through the manual work of triaging with Xander very much looking forward to
being back home to do some spell research and scroll writing. He’s not normally
a very indoorsy person, but if successful with his spell research, the new
spell could be a real game changer on days like today especially after how so
many of those spells went. He will probably try to recruit Matilda for those
studies when she has the time. She’s probably of a more studious mind which may
help quite a bit and help familiarize her with the new magic in the process.
On Tuesday, March 2, 2021, 12:44:14 PM CST, SM Baule <smbaule@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:smbaule@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:smbaule@xxxxxxxxx ;
<mailto:smbaule@xxxxxxxxx> > > wrote:
Animating minotaur corpses etc. takes a 5th level clerical spell called
animate dead monsters. An arcane equivalent could probably be researched or
found.
The beacon of hope spell would need to be researched. Elmore would need a
shrine and time to do so, plus a religious library. Probably some type of
offering to Farab as well, as he is the god of healing.
Assuming Elmore and Xander can use their healing skills to triage the needs
Ahearn and John Mac would get the CSWs. They each recover 11 HPs.
Hagar CLW recovers 3; Nesgrous 2HPs, Rarmuck, 6HPs; Manrug 8HPs, Trehik
2HP; five gnomish archers receive 4,5,1,6,5 putting them all in ok shape;
Calbark who was unconscious earned 8! Elmore has two left. Ahearn could use
both of them, if that is your pleasure.
Carnodolana what is your spell list for the day of rest?
Nothing comes near your through midday.
