I will agree with that.
On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 11:28 AM Tim Farley <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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that is true.
In matters such as this, I generally fall back on DM Prerogative, which is
usually tempered by The Needs of the Campaign.
My favorite rule is that the DM rules....
On Monday, November 1, 2021, 12:23:20 PM EDT, Nicole Massey <
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Yeah, I consider that to be two halves of the same spell. And I'd probably
rule in that situation that the returning part of the summons got dispelled
so now the caster will have to deal with them. The Dispel Magic might also
dispel the summoner's control on the creature or creatures, so they
wouldn't be charmed to protect him or her anymore. This makes for a much
more interesting scenario than just making them go poof.
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Point of fact: summoned creatures not dead do go back to where they came
from.
Stone shape is permanent. The question is whether dispel magic can or
should be able to undo it. I see your point about the detect magic. But
even nondetectable magic should be susceptible to dispel. But, again, it
could be a matter of a saving throw. A 17th level caster casts a spell
that a fifth level caster should have difficulty dispelling, by virtue of
the relative power of the casters.
On Monday, November 1, 2021, 11:53:24 AM EDT, Nicole Massey <
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OOC: It also makes things so much bookkeeping. I don't want to have to
track what was done by minions and what was done by magic, and if permanent
doesn't mean permanent then what is permanent? This kind of thing would
make a detect magic spell useless, unless the magic in things made
permanent by spell lose that magic. Example: I summon a rock. Is that rock
now magical? Will casting Dispel Magic make that rock go back to where it
was before? The same goes for summoned creatures, elements, and other
stuff. Why in the world would anyone with enough intelligence to cast
spells let anyone make anything from what was created by a Material spell?
To take it to the highest extreme, a powerful enough Dispel Magic cast by
the right Wizard could unmake all of Stoddard, since Silva created it
through magical means. It's simpler and more straightforward to make things
altered by magic to be permanent and un-dispellable if the duration says so.
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OOC: That makes them too foolproof. Perhaps some sort of saving throw
for the 'permanent' effect when hit with a dispel magic. Willing to say
additional magic can be expended to make it permanent. But, then, you
probably suspected I would be a bit reticent to allow such a thing to not
be undoable..
I had a mage who built his stronghold with a lot of walls of stone.
Potentially ugly. But he threw up enough real outer works such as gate
houses, etc., and hit them with magic aura, so to hide the real magical
walls amongst a bunch of fake magical ones.
His big trick as far as paranoid tricks were concerned was passwall,
followed up by a bunch of goblin miners. they make a chamber, he goes with
them, studies it well, and teleports out after the passwall expires.
On Monday, November 1, 2021, 11:20:46 AM EDT, Nicole Massey <
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Carandolana says, "Of course, on a later trip I can make that door go
away."
OOC: I've been deep in the spells, and I've come to the opinion that
spells with a duration permanent are alterations to reality, and won't
radiate magic or be able to be dispelled after a short time. Likewise
instantaneous durations are in and done. This makes everything less
volatile, because when casting a Dispel Magic or Mordenkainen's Disjunction
very nasty things undetectable could come down on the magic-user's head.
This is a part of my thinking that for elemental spells the magic is in
summoning the element, not in what's summoned, the same going for the
Monster Summoning spells. Making Dispel Magic work on the spells going on
now instead of the effects of past magical use makes a lot of sense to me.
Thoughts, especially from others who run these games?
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That's enough for now. He backpedals. "Speaker, this might be something
for you, Pomeroy and Carandolana to deal with. Or maybe we bring in an
Ulsarian expert, or a paladin, or a great big dragon or something. We
should seal this, if not today, tomorrow. Carandolana, would you be
willing to shape the stane so that it cannot be opened short of shaping the
stone or excavating it? I know you probably cannot access that prayer
today, but this feels like something, well, beyond me, that's for sure.
Speaker, I suspect Zazerial would be beside himself with rage at this
abomination."
I am sure there is no way for Sean to ascertain when the shrine was last
used, especially when standing outside the chamber, peering in with his
flashtube. But he'll try to gat a handle on it regardless.
"Anybody here a demonologist? or a Devil expert? I suspect some sort of
devil. It doesn't get more antithetical to my personal philosophy than
that."
On Monday, November 1, 2021, 09:39:22 AM EDT, SM Baule <smbaule@xxxxxxxxx
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If Sean enters the small altar room, he will sense a shiver of pure evil
jolt through him. This is an area of something very much opposite of his
worldview. The topmost skull does look like it is from the lower outer
planes. Not sure what. Not a vrock.What else might he be looking for?
