[sparkscoffee] Re: The United States: Police State Today, Martial Law Tomorrow; Part II

From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea@xxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 21:06:20 -0400
Truth is NOT subjective.

Any reasoning built on that supposition is rubish.

73

DR
 On Sep 30, 2014 8:50 PM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> DR,
> Truth isn't an end in itself.  It's a means to an end. We seek the truth
> in order to deal with things as they are and get predictable results from
> our actions. It isn't going to be the same for every person.
>
> It's difficult if not impossible to know the truth because nobody has
> knowledge of everything and because truth is subjective, based on an
> individual's life experiences.  All we can do is make our best guess based
> on whatever knowledge and experience we have and this can vary greatly from
> person to person.
>
> Many, if not most people get their truth from the government, church,
> guru, or favorite TV show, etc.. Because this version of the truth is
> shared by many other people who also receive their truth from the same
> source it becomes a confirmed fact beyond question. Unfortunately history
> has shown that this often ends horribly for all the parties involved.
> Fortunately we now have the Internet and groups such as this one where
> people who believe different versions of the truth can exchange knowledge
> and experience.  Who knows? Maybe someday we will discover the real truth.
>
> -RR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
> Sent: Sep 30, 2014 2:57 PM
> To: "sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The United States: Police State Today, Martial
> Law Tomorrow; Part II
>
> RR,
>
> That's not true, there are not multiple versions of the truth, and
> certainly truth isn't defined as what works best for them.
>
> You might have a lot of truthful observations, and truthful statements and
> from those make an attempt at weaving together the truth, but most often
> some of the truth is unknown, sometimes it becomes known known later.
> Sometimes with somethings it is right in front of our eyes but we don't
> discern it yet, like before Isaac Newton, we didn't get some of the rules
> of physics like gravity and acceleration.
>
> Like the old story of the elephant and the blind men, each seeing only a
> part, they describe the elephant according to what they see, but by taking
> a different viewpoint - impossible for blind men to see it all - you arrive
> at a description that is more of the truth.
>
> If later the elephant drops dead of disease, you can add "sickly elephant"
> and you have even more of the truth.  If you discover that the elephant was
> related to Jumbo the famous elephant, you can add that to the truth and you
> have more of the truth.  There can be multiple truthful descriptions which
> are all truthful but there is only one truth and it is foolish for most to
> claim that you know it fully.
>
> As they say, God alone knows the truth.
>
> In any event getting to the truth is not easy if you want all of the truth.
>
> 73
>
> DR
> On Sep 30, 2014 11:46 AM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> JS,
>> Every person is different and each has their own version of the truth,
>> which can be defined as whatever works best for them.
>>
>> For example, you are never going to convince a member of the Chinese
>> Communist Party, most of whom are billionaires, that communism isn't a
>> perfect system, particularly if they didn't believe so they would be dead
>> along with rest of their family.
>>
>> Likewise a Jew is never going to criticize Israel because it would hurt
>> them. It would be foolish for them to do so. Ask Jesus. Even a goyim in the
>> U.S. is made to suffer if they criticize Israel. All the presidential
>> candidates  (except Ron Paul) pledging their support of Israel on
>> nationwide TV is all the proof I need of the power that Israel has over the
>> U.S..
>>
>> I find truth in the article and I don't have any axe to grind. I am just
>> trying to understand what is going on so that I can take the proper actions
>> to maintain my own personal state of happiness like everybody else.
>>
>> I don't care if Israelis murder Palestinians or if the U.S. spreads
>> terrorism only as far as it effects me. I value my freedom, and when it's
>> taken away from me I try to find out what's going on so that I can take the
>> proper actions to get it back, which in this case means getting
>> out of Dodge because as the articles explain the subversion of the U.S.
>> Government is too deeply rooted and can only end in one way. I hope that
>> I'm wrong but I'm taking precautions just in case I'm not.
>>
>> -RR
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "schalestock@xxxxxxxx"
>> Sent: Sep 30, 2014 8:09 AM
>> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: The United States: Police State Today,
>> Martial Law Tomorrow; Part II
>>
>> RR
>>
>> I don't know... some truth in the article but also a lot of BS. Hard to
>> mix and match the two and come out with a reasoned conclusion. Nielson
>> obviously has an ax to grind re Israel which makes for a one sided
>> propaganda piece in my opinion.
>>
>> JS
>>
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] The United States: Police State Today, Martial
>> Law Tomorrow; Part II
>> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 07:08:29 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
>>
>> Written by Jeff Nielson Monday, 29 September 2014
>>
>> Part I of this two-part series detailed the hijacking of the U.S.
>> democracy by a small cabal of ultra-wealthy oligarchs (primarily bankers),
>> best described as the Old World Order.
>>
>>
>> http://www.bullionbullscanada.com/us-commentary/26558-the-united-states-police-state-today-martial-law-tomorrow-part-i
>>
>> The method for orchestrating this unofficial, bloodless coup was also
>> detailed.
>>
>> a)  Create a new, quasi-governmental entity (the Federal Reserve) which
>> is above the government itself, and thus beyond the reach of any of its
>> laws or mandates.
>>
>> b) Hand this quasi-governmental entity (exclusive) control over the
>> printing press of the U.S., allowing the banker oligarchs who control it to
>> create as much currency as they desired – and transfer every new dollar
>> created to themselves.
>>
>> c)  With this endless/infinite supply of dirty money (all legal, official
>> currency), they buy-off as many political representatives as necessary to
>> control the government, in perpetuity.
>>
>> d) As outlined in The Bankers Manifesto of 1892; in order to hide this
>> effective dictatorship, they get their political stooges to stage vehement,
>> theatrical squabbles, pretending that the U.S.’s only two political parties
>> are enemies rather than teammates (serving the bankers). To quote the
>> Manifesto: “by thus dividing the voters, we can get them to expend their
>> energies fighting over questions of no importance to us…”
>>
>> Part I concluded by briefly describing how these (banking) oligarchs used
>> their complete control over the U.S. government to transform this oligarchy
>> into a fascist police state, the Fourth Reich. The pretext for this
>> transformation was the farcical/imaginary “War on Terror”, and the vehicle
>> used to create this police state was the notorious “Patriot Act”.
>>
>> It is beyond the scope of this article to detail all the elements of this
>> police state: the countless “detention centers” spread all over the
>> country, the absurdly Orwellian “Department of Homeland Security”, and an
>> infinite array of parallel initiatives. Instead, it can be exposed more
>> effectively through unmasking the phony War on Terror (which led to its
>> creation), and then focusing on particularly revealing aspects of this
>> police state which have emerged during this pseudo-war.
>>
>> As its name suggests; the explicit goal of this pseudo-war is to “fight
>> terrorism”. Yet (outside the spotlight of the Corporate media) most of the
>> actual efforts of the U.S. government have been devoted to creating and/or
>> supporting terrorist groups and terrorist regimes.
>>
>> Even here, there is far too much empirical evidence of state-sponsored
>> terrorism (by the U.S.) to engage in any comprehensive discussion. The only
>> starting point for such a narrative can begin with the Godfather of Modern
>> Terrorism: the state of Israel.
>>
>> Anyone familiar with history knows that Israel is the original “terrorist
>> state”. Following World War II; the state of Palestine (home of the
>> Palestinian people) was a British colony. Through a relentless campaign of
>> “ethnic cleansing” and executions by Jewish terrorists (primarily directed
>> against innocent, Palestinian civilians), the British government was
>> persuaded to withdraw from Palestine. However, before departing, the
>> British carved-out a large chunk of the state of the Palestine, and handed
>> it to the terrorists – which the terrorists called (call) “Israel”.
>>
>> The leader of the Jewish terrorists became Israel’s first prime minister.
>> Far from renouncing its terrorist heritage; the government of Israel (to
>> this day) openly boasts about its terrorist past, characterizing its serial
>> slaughter of innocents as “necessary acts” for “the greater good” (i.e. the
>> creation of Israel). Indeed, all that has changed since 1945 is that this
>> terrorist group is now a terrorist regime.
>>
>> Its previous “acts” of terrorism have evolved into an (endless) campaign
>> of state-sponsored terrorism: primarily the slow-genocide of the
>> Palestinian people. When it wishes to execute Palestinians individually, or
>> in small groups, it has an official department of government for such
>> crimes-against-humanity: the Mossad, the world’s most-infamous/most-feared
>> assassins.
>>
>> When it wishes to execute Palestinians in larger numbers, it turns its
>> army loose upon this civilian population. It (perversely) depicts these
>> heinous war crimes as “anti-terrorism operations”, “retaliation” for
>> (supposed) acts of terrorism by the shadowy group known as “Hamas”. Almost
>> exclusively; Hamas engages in “rocket attacks” against Israel: more
>> specifically; it has launched 10’s of thousands of rockets against Israel
>> (over a span of decades) – rockets which never hurt anyone or even hit any
>> targets...
>>
>> ...Clearly, if there was/is any legitimacy to “the War on Terror”, the
>> first nation which should have been in the cross-hairs of the U.S.
>> war-machine is Israel. But (as previously stated) the real agenda of the
>> Fourth Reich is not to “fight terrorism”, but rather to create it, and use
>> it as a pretext for its fascist policies/ambitions, following in the
>> footsteps of Israel. To illustrate this requires nothing more than pointing
>> to the newest Terrorist Boogeymen: “ISIS”.
>>
>> To quote recently retired U.S. Lt. General Tom McInerney: “We helped to
>> build ISIS.” But the general is being far too modest. As is detailed in a
>> superbly documented video presentation (which includes the general’s
>> quote), not only did the U.S. “build” ISIS, by arming and funding it, in a
>> step-by-step manner, but this terrorism-building operation is part of a
>> standard blueprint for American foreign policy [quoting from the video
>> presentation]:
>>
>> i)          Build up a dictator or extremist group which can be then used
>> to wage proxy wars against opponents. During this stage any crimes
>> committed by these proxies are swept under the rug. [Problem]
>>
>> ii)         When these nasty characters have outlived their usefulness,
>> that’s when it’s time to pull out all that dirt from under the rug and
>> start publicizing it 24/7. This obviously works best when the public has no
>> idea how these bad guys came to power. [Reaction]
>>
>> iii)       Finally, when the public [is] practically begging for the
>> government to do something, a solution is proposed. Usually the solution
>> involves military intervention, the loss of certain liberties, or both.
>> [Solution]
>>
>> Sound eerily familiar? It should. We just saw precisely this strategy
>> being played-out in Afghanistan, in a campaign spanning nearly 30 years.
>> When the U.S. was building up an extremist group in Afghanistan (as its
>> beloved allies) to “fight the Soviets”; the world knew these extremists by
>> the name “Mujahideen”.
>>
>> When the U.S. government wished to move to Stage 2, and demonize these
>> same extremists; they were re-branded with the name “Al Qaeda”. And when it
>> wanted to then move to Stage 3 (starting a war and stripping Americans of
>> their civil liberties); it lured, or simply hired these (former?) employees
>> to be part of the world’s most-infamous false-flag event: “9/11”.
>>
>> Unequivocally, the War on Terror is nothing more than an imaginary
>> construct of the Fourth Reich. Any/all “terrorists” who actually do exist
>> in the world today were either created or sponsored by the U.S. government,
>> or the other members of this Axis of Evil (U.S./Israel/UK). However the
>> police state which was supposedly justified by this mythical war is all
>> too-real.
>>
>> The “Department of Homeland Security” of the Fourth Reich is nothing more
>> than the 21st century name for the “Gestapo” of the Third Reich. The only
>> difference between the two agencies is that the DHS is much better-armed,
>> and has the advantage of 21st century saturation surveillance: the ability
>> (and willingness) to spy on anyone, at any time.
>>
>> The transformation of the U.S. from free democracy to police state only
>> became full-and-complete, however, when the Bush regime passed its infamous
>> “indefinite detention” law in 2011. Given the already-existing provisions
>> of the Patriot Act (which blasted huge holes through the U.S.
>> Constitution); “indefinite detention” turned that Constitution into nothing
>> more than obsolete confetti.
>>
>> The “legalities” here (meaning the total lack of legality/legitimacy) are
>> simple:
>>
>> 1)  The U.S. government (or one of its Stooges) points its finger at
>> anyone and calls them “a terrorist”.
>>
>> 2)  Once any individual has had that label affixed to them; they
>> immediately/instantly lose not only all of their Constitutional rights, but
>> all of their human rights – they become less than human (in the eyes of the
>> Fourth Reich).
>>
>> 3)  The U.S. government is never required to publicly produce evidence to
>> prove that someone accused of being “a terrorist” has done anything to
>> merit this Ultimate Sanction.
>>
>> 4) Once the U.S. government demotes someone to a (legal) sub-human by
>> labeling him/her “a terrorist”; not only does the Fourth Reich incarcerate
>> and torture these individuals, but the Executive Branch now claims the
>> power to murder by decree – again, without ever publicly providing evidence
>> to support those assassinations.
>>
>> Here it must be understood that if people (i.e. Americans) can be
>> stripped of their rights simply by having the label “terrorist” affixed to
>> them (without evidence), then they have no rights. By definition; a “right”
>> is something which can never be taken away.
>>
>> In the former United States of America, now a police state which we can
>> characterize as nothing other than “the Fourth Reich”; all of the rights
>> which the citizens of this nation used to possess are now mere privileges –
>> something which can be taken away from any one of them (completely and
>> forever) with one word: “terrorist”. Always without evidence...
>>
>> ...When will the War on Terror end, given that it is the Fourth Reich
>> itself which manufactures most/all of the “terrorism” and “terrorists”?
>> Never.
>>
>> However, while the fascist infrastructure and pseudo-laws of this police
>> state are designed to last forever, the economy which provides the
>> financial support for the Fourth Reich is already rotten-to-the-core. The
>> only thing which has delayed a Soviet Union-style economic implosion to
>> this date is financial fraud and the manipulation of markets, on a scale
>> beyond the comprehension of any reader who has not been closely following
>> these events.
>>
>> The transformation/militarization of American society into a police state
>> is complete. The detention centers are all already built. Complete economic
>> collapse is inevitable and imminent. And when that occurs; the first phrase
>> which will come out of the mouth of whatever Puppet President is ruling at
>> that time is “martial law.”
>>
>>
>> http://bullionbullscanada.com/us-commentary/26559-the-united-states-police-state-today-martial-law-tomorrow-part-ii
>>
>> -RR
>>
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References:
- [sparkscoffee] Re: The United States: Police State Today, Martial Law Tomorrow; Part II
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