Schalestock
Did you ever hear rumors that on average gays have higher intelegence,
contribute mightly to science, mathamatics,
problem solving, art, dancing, book writing, movie making, plays, humor, etc? I
did. Make sure you don't become a holier
then thou person.
Stan the rumor man
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From: schalestock <schalestock@xxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sun, Apr 26, 2015 6:24 pm
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Johns Hopkins psychiatrist: Transgender is a me
ntal disorder; sex change biologically impossible
DR
An interesting exchange. The fact that we are having an open discourse shows
how much things have changed. What I think is under considered is exactly why
we now feel free to discuss homosexuality in positive light.
The gay community has managed to win the right to accuse anyone on the other
side as homophobic. Like racism, or even sexism, it has become a loaded term
that precludes honest discourse. I.E. the objective is not to only make
homosexuality socially acceptable but to insist it is natural and deserving of
all legal and social rights of "straight" people.
There are two problems with this; One is the insistence that gay marriage
include the right to acquire and possess children. Children are not created by
homosexuals, they are captured and mentally enslaved by them. It is the worse
kind of pedophilia.
The second problem for society as a whole is that one of the problems for
homosexuals, regardless of the genetic/environmental factors that may or may
not be involved, is that the majority of them are inherently unhappy people.
This is demonstrated by their cultural promiscuity. Homosexual promiscuity or
nymphomania among straight women is a mental and spiritual problem caused by a
feeling of inadequacy which requires serial and ongoing sexual encounters, with
satisfaction and fulfillment never to be realized.
What we are seeing now is the ascendancy of homosexual political power. And
"equality" is not the objective. Transcendence and domination is the real
objective. And it is being manifested by the demand that our children and
grandchildren be indoctrinated in school, starting in kindergarten that
homosexuality is not only acceptable but a desirable lifestyle. Which of course
is simply a format for recruitment of the young and naive.
At the end of the day, this is an evil thing. And those homosexuals of decent
spirit, of which there are many, should stand up and acknowledge this.
But then we now have a social and political environment where the president of
the United States condemns our constitution and chooses to ignore the rule of
law. And of course we have the Clintons who are are evil and self serving,
concerned only with their personal wealth and power, the good of our country
and society be damned.
Bill Clinton was Arkansas white trash of the lowest order, genetically gifted
with a reasonable IQ and all the criminal inclinations and connections Arkansas
could provide. Hillary on the other hand, is a vicious foul minded woman, so
insecure that a quest for power to compensate for these shortcomings is her
life's mission. She is one of those women who look like they smell bad.
But sadly for the rest of us, she, like the homosexuals who demand dominion
over our children, can never be satisfied.
I went to college at the same time as Bill and HIllary. And I knew people just
like them during those halcyon days of protest in the sixties. They were
unhappy then and they are now. And I observed they were never in the front line
of the protesters. Only heaving insults and garbage at veterans from the safety
of the back ranks.
But hell, so what that they sold 20 percent of our uranium supply to Putin and
by extension, the Iranians for nuclear weapons while Bill was getting 500
thousand dollars a pop for "speeches" while Hillary was Secy of State.
This then is just how bad things have gotten in the United States of America,
circa 2015. God in his cosmic sense of humor might just let us survive long
enough to do an isotope analysis of the radioactive debris of New York of DC.
Wouldn't it be the ultimate piece of divine comedy to find that the Iranian or
Russian nuke that did us in was fabricated from American uranium.
JS
PS I have just finished writing another novel entitled "A Farewell to Grace."
It is set on an American college campus of the sixties when four returning
Vietnam combat vets meet and become friends during those strange and turbulent
times when Bill and Hilary were honing their evil skills. You and RR might
enjoy this trip back to when we really lost our innocence as a nation.
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea@xxxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Johns Hopkins psychiatrist: Transgender is a mental
disorder; sex change biologically impossible
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 15:34:02 -0400
Sometimes there are long-term damages that become known as time passes.
People learned that homosexuality was something that caused damage as time
passed just as we are starting to see the effects of marajuana use.
It was not by chance that until recently that all religions considered
homosexuality a grave sin, and most societies too.
Not all harm is seen immediately. Marrying your cousin seemed like a good idea
until physicians observed a corelation between it and birth defects, often of
the fingers and toes.
You see this also in isolated communities like Flores, Azores, North Atlantic
Portugal Dependency.
DR
On Apr 26, 2015 3:09 PM, "Ron Ristad" < ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
deviant
adjective
deviating, esp. from what is considered normal in a group or for a society
different
adjective
unlike most others; unusual
The only difference between deviant and different is that the former usually
applies to human behavior.
I specified that (1) it wasn't hurting anybody and (2) that my wife also
enjoyed it.
I would like to have anal sex with her but she says it hurts so we don't. (She
doesn't dress up like a Nazi either. That was just a hypothetical example.)
-----Original Message-----
From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
Sent: Apr 26, 2015 12:30 PM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Johns Hopkins psychiatrist: Transgender is a mental
disorder; sex change biologically impossible
Deviation is a bit more nuanced that different, it is divergence from a norm.
I don't know if having your wife dress up as a NAZI while you have sex is
harmless. It still may be the proximate cause of mental illness resulting in
personality disorder. Your wife may eventually start thinking Jews are
responsible for all evil in the world.
It certainly would be someone's business if your wife went into theraphy for
any mental problems caused by it, even if you were unaware it had long term
injury.
It's similar to male homosexuals having anal sex, a deviant behavior, and later
learning such deviation was the proximate cause of AIDS which later caused the
death of one of the partners.
DR
On Apr 26, 2015 2:08 PM, "Ron Ristad" < ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
DR,
Science once said the world was flat. Science once said the sun orbited the
Earth.
"Deviation" just means different, not like most other people. If I like my wife
to dress up in a Nazi uniform when we have sex then I am a sexual deviant but
if she likes doing it and it doesn't hurt anybody then there is nothing wrong
with it, and it's nobody else's business.
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: "David J. J. Ring, Jr."
Sent: Apr 26, 2015 11:48 AM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Johns Hopkins psychiatrist: Transgender is a mental
disorder; sex change biologically impossible
APA is a group of medical doctors, not psychologists.
A scientific study should have been done before any illness is removed from
DSM.
Perhaps they could prove sociopathy is not part of homosexuality.
Maybe research was done when it was moved to a sexual deviation disorder.
I just know that politics and science do not mix when politics trumps the
integrity of science.
DR
On April 26, 2015 1:32:00 PM EDT, Ron Ristad < ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
DR,
" ... most researchers have come to the conclusion that sexual
orientation is likely determined by a complex interaction between a person’s
genetic make-up and their environment."
I would agree with this. I have known gays who showed homosexual traits from a
very early age (genetic). I have also known gays who were sexually abused when
they were young (environment).
Research on identical twins has shown that many genetic traits, such as
diseases, need to be triggered by the environment before they are expressed.
But I do not believe that environment alone can change can a person's sexual
preference. Many gay men have been married and had children before they
discovered (or admitted) they were gay. Likewise many men engage in gay sex
when in prison but go straight when they get out.
All I know is that I have never felt the slightest sexual attraction to any man
but when I was younger thought about having sex with just about every woman I
saw and it was something that I had no control over.
"The first version, released in 1952, listed homosexuality as a sociopath
personality disturbance." That's like a teapot calling the kettle black. A
sociopath is somebody who has no empathy for other people.
Psychology for the most part is just a scam to extract money from people who
are susceptible to suggestion and especially those who lack spiritual faith.
The majority of patients are people who just want somebody to listen to their
bullshit and housewives whose husbands don't have the time to sit and listen to
their mindless prattle.
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
Sent: Apr 26, 2015 12:32 PM
To: " sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Johns Hopkins psychiatrist: Transgender is a mental
disorder; sex change biologically impossible
I'm not a psychiatrist, but I do know that the ONLY illness that was ever taken
out of the DSM was homosexuality.
It was part of a political agenda. You had to get several things in place.
One that homosexuality had to be removed from the DSM, that it had to be
something that was given at birth, not acquired by behavior otherwise acquired,
that it could not be reverted to "Normal" behavior by theraphy.
I found this on Yahoo Answers.
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, also known as the
DSM, is the official list of mental disorders that all mental health
professionals refer to when diagnosing patients.
The first version, released in 1952, listed homosexuality as
a sociopath personality disturbance. In 1968, the second version (DSM II)
reclassified homosexuality as a sexual deviancy. Soon afterward, gay protestors
began picketing at the APA’s annual conventions, demanding that homosexuality
be removed from the list completely. In 1973, after intensive debate and
numerous disturbances by gay activists, the APA decided to remove homosexuality
from it’s next manual (DSM IV) completely.
What followed was a swarm of outrage from psychiatrists
within the APA who disagreed with the decision and demanded that the issue be
reconsidered. In 1974, a referendum was called and approximately 40 percent of
the APA’s membership voted to put homosexuality back into the DSM IV. Since a
majority was not achieved to reverse the decision, homosexuality remains
omitted from the APA’s Diagnostic and Statistical manual.
Many in the scientific community have criticized the APA’s
decision to remove homosexuality from the DSM IV, claiming it’s motives were
more political than scientific. Dr. Ronald Bayer, author of the book,
Homosexuality and American Psychiatry writes:
The entire process, from the first confrontation organized
by gay demonstrators to the referendum demanded by orthodox psychiatrists,
seemed to violate the most basic expectations about how questions of science
should be resolved. Instead of being engaged in sober discussion of data,
psychiatrists were swept up in a political controversy. The result was not a
conclusion based on an approximation of the scientific truth as dictated by
reason, but was instead an action demanded by the ideological temper of the
times.15
Along these same lines, a recent radio documentary on the
subject of homosexuality revealed that the President-elect of the APA in 1973,
Dr. John P. Speigel, was a “closeted homosexual with a very particular
agenda.”16
Some have exaggerated or misrepresented these studies in attempt to prove that
homosexuality is genetic. Others insist that homosexuality is developed after
birth as a response to one’s environment. The truth is that we have no
conclusive replicable research to prove either conclusion. However, most
researchers have come to the conclusion that sexual orientation is likely
determined by a complex interaction between a person’s genetic make-up and
their environment.
Even the American Psychological Association asserts that:
There are numerous theories about the origins of a person's
sexual orientation; most scientists today agree that sexual orientation is most
likely the result of a complex interaction of environmental, cognitive and
biological factors. In most people, sexual orientation is shaped at an early
age.17 (emphasis added).
And the American Psychiatric Association wrote:
Currently there is a renewed interest in searching for
biological etiologies for homosexuality. However, to date there are no
replicated scientific studies supporting any specific biological etiology for
homosexuality.18
Whatever the case, we know from the personal testimonies of
thousands that homosexuality is a changeable condition. Stanton Jones, who is
Chair of Psychology at Wheaton College states: “Every secular study of change
has shown some success rate...”19
Go educate yourself RR.
73
DR
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Ron Ristad
<ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
DR,
I try to keep an open mind.
Please list some of the harms.
Please link some of the scientific research that you have studied so
exhaustively.
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
Sent: Apr 26, 2015 9:01 AM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Johns Hopkins psychiatrist: Transgender is a mental
disorder; sex change biologically impossible
You are Mr. Truth, go and get a pre 1970 DSM and read for yourself.
I just gather truth so others can discover that they are being brainwashed.
Also your putting disease in quotes suggests that you have decided that Mr.
Turing's suicide was due to hormone theraphy and being arrested. Maybe it was
because of other mental illnesses produced by his homosexuality?
It took scientific research to put homosexuality into the DSM it should take
refutation of that research to remove it from the DSM.
73
DR
On Apr 26, 2015 10:50 AM, "Ron Ristad" <
ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
DR,
Please list harms. I understand that people who are "different" face
challenges but this describes most geniuses, as well as religious and racial
minorities.
I recently watched the movie "Imitation Game" about Alan Turing, the inventor
of computer science and the machine that broke the Nazi Enigma code during
WWII. In 1953 he was found guilty of homosexuality which was crime at the time
and was forced to undergo hormone therapy to "cure" his "disease". He committed
suicide a year later. It was very sad.
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
Sent: Apr 25, 2015 8:14 PM
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Johns Hopkins psychiatrist: Transgender is a mental
disorder; sex change biologically impossible
The list of harms homosexuality does was never removed by scienticic inquiry.
There are many examples of individuals being cured of the disorder.
Individuals are not born with this condition, and it has not been
scientifically proven otherwise.
You just don't remove things by political pressure. There should have been a
scientific inquiry to see if the classification as a mental illness was correct.
Such was never done.
Investigate, Mr Truth.
73
DR
On Apr 25, 2015 9:41 PM, "Ron Ristad" <
ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
DR,
In order to be classified as a mental Illness it would have to (1) be harmful
to the patient or others and/or (2) be curable.
Neither of these are true in the case of homosexuality. Most homosexuals are
born that way. The only harm is that done by society.
-RR
-----Original Message-----
From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
Sent: Apr 25, 2015 9:06 PM
To: " sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Johns Hopkins psychiatrist: Transgender is a mental
disorder; sex change biologically impossible
As many here know homosexuality was the ONLY mental illness removed from the
diagnostic manual not on scientific research but on protests by the social
organizers in San Francisco during one of the meetings of the American
Psychiatric Association back in 1973.
Here is an interesting article.
73
DR
Compassion and common sense dictate that transgenderism is a mental
illness. Society owes it to these poor souls to give them the mental
help that they so desperately need, not to mutilate their genitals.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change
(CNSNews.com) -- Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the former psychiatrist-in-chief
for Johns Hopkins Hospital and its current Distinguished Service
Professor of Psychiatry, said that transgenderism is a “mental
disorder” that merits treatment, that sex change is “biologically
impossible,” and that people who promote sexual reassignment surgery
are collaborating with and promoting a mental disorder.
Dr. McHugh, the author of six books and at least 125 peer-reviewed
medical articles, made his remarks in a recent commentary in the Wall
Street Journal, where he explained that transgender surgery is not the
solution for people who suffer a “disorder of ‘assumption’” – the
notion that their maleness or femaleness is different than what nature
assigned to them biologically.
He also reported on a new study showing that the suicide rate among
transgendered people who had reassignment surgery is 20 times higher
than the suicide rate among non-transgender people. Dr. McHugh further
noted studies from Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic
of children who had expressed transgender feelings but for whom, over
time, 70%-80% “spontaneously lost those feelings.”
“’Sex change’ is biologically impossible,” said McHugh. “People who
undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or
vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women.
Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical
intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental
disorder.”
J Young
jdyoung1@xxxxxxxxx
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