[sparkscoffee] Re: Already happens: Capitalism destroys human labor fo rce and goes to the next phase

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  • Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 16:05:28 -0400 (EDT)

JS
by nature you are always looking for a scape goat to unload your bile. What the 
hell does Obama have to do
with robots? Think, think, think.
 
Comrade B, the thinker (some might say stinker?)
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: R George <xgeorge@xxxxxxx>
To: sparkscoffee <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wed, May 7, 2014 1:53 pm
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Already happens: Capitalism destroys human labor fo 
rce and goes to the next phase


          
    You did not read the article which made the point that human labor    is 
needed less and less
    now that robots/machines are on the ascendency.
    
    This info is dated 2008.
    The Jeep Toledo South plant needs just 13.57 employee-hours to    assemble 
a vehicle, 
    a significant margin over the second-place Oshawa, Ontario, Chevy    
Impala/Monte Carlo plant (15.18 hours) 
    and third-place Oshawa Pontiac Grand Prix/Buick LaCrosse plant    (16.17 
hours).
    
    Read 
more:http://blogs.motortrend.com/toyota-chrysler-have-north-americas-most-efficient-plants-1859.html#ixzz3137PZlgU
    
    Adding insult to injury to American workers are the many thousands    of 
jobs lost because the companies moved their
    manufacturing to foreign locations.  Another factor is the    increasing 
population.
    
    The article points out that some of these manufacturing jobs    are/will 
return because robots are now so sophisticated
    they can perform most any task.
    
    RG
    
    
On 5/7/2014 9:27 AM,      schalestock@xxxxxxxx wrote:
    
    
      
What has "already happened" is Obama's destructive economic         and social 
policies - not any inherent flaw in capitlism. Lets        call a spade a spade 
( no pun intended.)
        
        ---------- Original Message ----------
        From: R George <xgeorge@xxxxxxx>
        To: undisclosed-recipients:;
        Subject: [sparkscoffee] Already happens: Capitalism destroys        
human labor force and goes to the next phase
        Date: Wed, 07 May 2014 08:23:00 -0700
        
        07 May, 2014
        
        Already happens: Capitalism destroys human labor force and goes        
to the next phase 
        
        Connecting the dots one can discover the most nightmarish        
scenarios. Destructive capitalism's next phase is the total        substitution 
of the human labor force with robotic machines, or        in other words, the 
hyper-automatization. There is a process        taking place right now, and no 
one (or nearly no one) knows what        would happen after its completion.
        
        The true picture behind unemployment
        
        From a latest article in PressTV:
        
         “Did you know that there are nearly 102 million working age        
Americans that do not have a job right now? And 20 percent of        all 
families in the United States do not have a single member        that is 
employed. So how in the world can the government claim        that the 
unemployment rate has “dropped” to '6.3 percent'?” 
        
        “Well, it all comes down to how you define who is 'unemployed'.        
For example, last month the government moved another 988,000        Americans 
into the 'not in the labor force' category.”
        
        
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/05/04/361323/27-million-americans-are-unemployed/
        
        102(!) million working age Americans that do not have a job        
right now? 20%(!) of all families in the US do not have a single        member 
that is employed? Do you find these numbers exaggerated?        Maybe not, if 
you read the following story by the "eye-witness"        Yanis Varoufakis.
        
        What is going on in front of our eyes?
        
        Yanis Varoufakis in his article "What if the capital of future        
doesn't need us?", describes what he saw in Austin-Texas and        what that 
means:
        
        “While I was watching from my window in Austin-Texas, I saw a        
big cloud of dust deep in horizon. Two days ago, I was walking        in that 
area and I was surprised by the view of the big factory        where bulldozers 
and machines were continuously working,        producing the dust. From the 
front side of the building under        construction it was obvious that 
(fortunately) they were not        building a new trade center or apartment 
blocks. No, it was a        big industrial center.”
        
        “Although I didn't notice it the first time, after a few seconds        
I realised that something was missing from this factory: people!        
Specifically, I counted three. All of them were wearing helmets        and 
protection suits and were located in a small office in a        space outside 
with a few computers, while they were covered by a        tent like those used 
by the army. Ten bulldozers, three cranes        and more or less ten moving 
tools, at least from what I could        see, were moving without drivers, 
operators, workers generally.”
        
        “When I returned to my office, I went straight to find a        
colleague who knows well what's going on. He informed me that        the 
workplace I saw, was the new factory of Apple to produce        MacBook Pro. It 
was true that, it was constructed through almost        complete 
automatization. The materials had been selected through        a way with 
which, the automatic machines - therefore robots        connected to eachother 
through a local wireless network        (intranet) - to be able to construct 
without human interference        - even the hydraulic structure of the 
building will be        constructed by plumpers-robots. A factory that under 
normal        conditions should employ thousands of workers is functioning      
  with the presence of less than one hundred souls.”
        
        “I asked him about the move of Apple to produce computers in        
America, by bringing back in the US the production from China        for the 
first time after decades. 'How's that?' And the answer        was the expected 
one, although quite impressive: 'Wages are of        no importance. The export 
of productive processes from America        to China (off-shoring) was only an 
intermediate stage. The        production has returned to America, but not the 
jobs. The new        factory of Apple, not only is constructed without American 
       workers' sweat, but will also produce MacBook Pro through        
complete automatization, without hiring Texans. Welcome to the        New, 
Brave World', ended with a smile, referring obviously to        the Brave New 
World of Aldous Huxley.”
        
        “When bulldozers and plumpers-robots that at this moment build        
the new factory of Apple, will start to learn from eachother and        
cooperate inside a robotic network, even the few jobs concerning        the 
operation of these robots will vanish. In case that these        armies of 
interconnected machine slaves belonged to everyone,        thus if everyone had 
the right to benefit from the goods that        they produce, then no problem. 
What should be done, however, in        case that these machine slaves, the 
capital of future, belong        (like the most of today's capital) to the very 
few, while at the        same time most of the people do not have access in the 
goods        they produce and an opportunity to work for a (human) wage?”
        
        Source: http://www.lifo.gr/team/apopseis/45702
        
        Capital "hyperaccumulation" : Useful for the next stage
        
        Economic crises are used to destroy big competitors and keep the        
value of money high, through capital "hyperaccumulation".        Capital 
"hyperaccumulation", however, is also used to fund the        next stage of the 
destructive capitalism which is        hyper-automatization.
        
        How all these connected to the Greek experiment?
        
        How long a society could tolerate an unemployment rate of 30% -        
50% without uprising that could bring an "instability" to the        system? 
When unemployment rate for the young people has reached        60%? When 
pensions and wages have been cut? How much the        unemployment benefit 
should be cut in order to allow people to        survive and consume without 
uprising? How many could be left        totally helpless without any kind of 
social benefit? How much        the mainstream media propaganda affects people 
in order to stay        scared inside their homes without uprising?
        
        The new nightmarish facts in Greek experiment could be proved        
quite useful for the big companies that hyper-automatize        production and 
seek to remove the human labor costs.
        
        Someone has to consume
        
        The big question is: If all the production will be automatized        
(even the services sector), who will consume the products? Are        we going 
to a model that most of the people will be receiving        unemployment 
benefits just to survive and consume?
        
        In overpopulated developing countries there are huge potential        
consumer tanks. Their consuming power will rise and the complete        
automatization of the production there will take decades.        However, the 
suitable conditions should be created first, in the        aged and saturated 
West, in order a limit in wages to be        established and the expansion of 
the Western social state model        to be prevented because all these things 
mean an additional cost        for the global economic oligarchy:
        
        
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2013/12/an-imaginary-dialogue-between-bosses.html
        
        The new model could lead to a future Dystopia beyond any        fantasy:
        
        “In the middle of the pyramid, a restructured class will serve        
and secure the domination of the top. Corporate executives, big        
journalists, scientific elites, suppression forces. It is        characteristic 
that academic research is directed on the basis        of the profits of big 
corporations. Funding is directed        increasingly to practical applications 
in areas that can bring        huge profits, like for example, the higher 
automatization of        production and therefore, the profit increase through 
the        restriction of jobs.”
        
        “The base of the pyramid will be consisted by the          majority of 
workers in global level, with restricted wages,          zero labor rights, and 
nearly zero opportunities for          activities other than consumption.”
        
        “However, the most horrific thing of all will be the          expansion 
of the lower social level, consisted by millions of          people all over 
the planet, which will be left without any          kind of help, dying in 
extreme poverty, since the global          economic elite will secure its 
domination through the          oversupply of labor force and consumers.
        
        Unfortunately, already, the human life increasingly lose        
value...”
        
        
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/02/a-more-simple-model-in-favor-of-1.html
        
        Are they all, so well designed?
        
        Probably not. One can imagine, more or less, what is being        
discussed in closed rooms of economic forums and Bilderberg        conferences 
behind cameras, but that does not mean that the        designers of the new 
world order can build everything in detail.
        
        In many cases in the past, predictions and designs of various        
think tanks have failed because there is no perfect theory that        can 
predict everything with accuracy and include all the        unexpected facts.
        
        It is obvious that the subsection of the global economic        
oligarchy in Greece, fears a possible "accident" in euro        elections since 
things are not going well for the traditional        parties in power which 
support the local capital, and this is        depicted in the way that the 
mainstream media propaganda        culminates as we get closer to the euro 
elections day.
        
        This means that, the struggle of people against the future        
Dystopia in not futile at all ...
        
        
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/05/already-happens-capitalism-destroys.html
        
        
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