[sib-access] Re: Affecting a Trill
- From: "Dan Rugman" <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:11:29 -0000
Sometimes, a note in brackets, or a grace note, is place in front of the
note main note to indicate which note the trill begins on. The reason is
that the convention of which of the two notes should be played first changed
over time. In Bach's time, a trill always began on the upper note, but by
Beethoven's death it could go either way. Nowadays, the lower note is
normally used unless stated otherwise.
> I've no idea how I would write a half step trill if I wanted one, say,
between F and F#.
Trills are normally between two notes that are a step apart, that's to say,
if no accidentals were involved they would be a diatonic step apart. So,
A-B, B-C, etc.
Given this, you'd need to spell one of the notes differently so that they
are not variants of the same degree of the scale. I.E. E-sharp and F-Sharp
or F-sharp and G-flat.
In the first option you'd write an E-sharp in the score and put a sharp
above the trill. In the second, you'd write an F natural in the score and
put a flat above the trill.
Dan Rugman
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Sibelius Access.
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[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin Gibbs
Sent: 15 December 2009 17:36
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Subject: [sib-access] Re: Affecting a Trill
The score I'm transcribing came to me as a PDF of something that I had a
friend copy for me by hand in 1985. In his score, there is a note in
parentheses to the right of the first note and there is a trill line above
both. I'm assuming that's what I need to do and I have no idea how I would
write this second note in parentheses. I was able to write the F, first
space treble clef, and the trill sign. All this played back with the whole
step trill I wanted. There was no natural sign in either the original PDF
or my transcription. I've no idea how I would write a half step trill if I
wanted one, say, between F and F#.
Kevin
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[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dan Rugman
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 11:20 AM
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Subject: [sib-access] Re: Affecting a Trill
Kevin,
Actually, the sighted method is pretty quick but it's a pain for us.
You select the note that will be trilled and then choose trill from the
lines dialog. At this point the trill may need to be pushed up out of the
way of the note. After this you need to add a natural symbol from the
symbols dialog. The problem is that the natural sign will probably be in the
wrong place. It needs to be above the trill (the normal practice is to put
it above the "squiggly" line and not above the letters at the beginning of
the trill). You may be able to work out where it needs to go by examining
the coordinates of both the line and the symbol but it can be hard work.
Easier to just get a little sighted help.
I'm going to raise this one with Sibelius. A few more trills with
accidentals included could be a time saver for everyone.
Dan Rugman
visit the new on-line resource for visually impaired musicians and home of
Sibelius Access. www.musicaccess.co.uk
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Sent: 15 December 2009 16:57
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Subject: [sib-access] Re: Affecting a Trill
Dale,
I'm sure it does. However, there has to be an easier way because
that's something a sighted person wouldn't put up with.
I'll call Sibelius and have them explain it.
K.
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