Hi all, I'm having trouble trying to understand how to define what an acceptable amount of jitter would be for my serial link. I imagine this is very broad question but I'm trying to wrap my head around the basics. I have an ibis model for my transmitter and receiver and I've hooked them up in spice along with an s-parameter model of my channel. I was pretty happy with myself that I got this part to work :) Then I get some outputs that I'm used to looking at, eye diagram, ber contour, bathtub. I can play with settings in the model and get more open or closed eyes. So that was fun. Then I thought how do I tell, and tell someone else whether this data we are looking at is good enough to meet our target BER or not? For voltage I went into the serdes datasheet and saw that it was adjustable but the threshold voltage for signal detect was say 50mV diff. So then I believe that as long as over 1E-12 bits, my lowest vertical eye opening is not lower than 50mV diff then that would be acceptable. I'm sure some margin would also be nice. Next I wanted to understand the same thing for jitter. I started by looking at the bathtub curve at 1E-12 which I think is just telling me, "if you ran 1E-12 bits, based on probability this is the eye opening you would see". My question is how do I relate this data back to the receiver requirements/spec to decide if it looks good or not? I think I understand that what can screw the receiver up would be the clock recovery circuit to lose it's lock. There is one spec in the receiver that says total receive input jitter can be 1UI-pkpk. That seems really high though since I'd think that would mean the eye was completely closed. Anyway I'm a little stuck, I've tried to do some reading and I've found lots about what a bathtub curve is, what jitter is etc, but nothing so far that ties it back to the real world for me. I guess in the past it's always been defined for me by the spec, but now I find myself wanting to understand more about it. Thank you, -Eric ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List forum is accessible at: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu