Hi, I would like to obtain measurements of MOSFETs that are valid up to high frequencies (110GHz). Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with de-embedding. I'm currently investigating a number of de-embedding techniques: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/search/srchabstract.jsp?tp=&arnumber=830987&queryText%3D.QT.A+four-step+method+for+de-embedding+gigahertz.QT.%26openedRefinements%3D*%26searchField%3DSearch+All http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/search/srchabstract.jsp?tp=&arnumber=4141067&queryText%3D.QT.Efficient+De-Embedding+Technique+for+110-GHz+Deep-Channel-MOSFET+.QT.%26openedRefinements%3D*%26searchField%3DSearch+All I've given the first of these a quick try by emulating a measurement using a test fixture (unlikely to be optimal) and dummy structures simulated in ADS momentum. Afterwards, I insert a MOSFET model into the test fixture using HSPICE. From the obtained S-parameters I can perform de-embedding. For large MOSFETs (W > 32 um), the de-embedded S21 and S12 are indeed very close to the model's S21 and S12. S11 and S22 are less closely matched to the model's, but still close. At higher frequencies (> 80 GHz), the error becomes larger. For small MOSFETs, the de-embedded measurements only fit the model at lower frequencies. I assume this is to be expected as the DUT's properties become smaller compared to the test fixtures. Also, the articles on de-embedding I have read/scrolled through always use large MOSFETs for the DUT (W > 64 um) when verifying the presented de-embedding technique. This makes me wonder how typical transistor models are developed. I assume a number of large transistors are measured to which a model is fitted (BSIM, for example). Smaller transistors are modeled by means of an implicit extrapolation. Could that be anywhere near how it's done? Unfortunately, I need to use small transistors (W as small as 2 um) in my design, so I'm not sure how to continue from here. Any suggestions? Kind regards, Brecht ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu