Kobi, Just define the impedance value and tolerance for those controlled layers, specify the dielectric choice (Fr-4, Getek, Rogers, etc.) and copper weight and let the fabricator determine the correct stack-up. The trace width should be defined by the gerber data. Please note, depending on your supplier, they may take license to modify the copper weight and trace width by up to 20%, this can be a huge variable, so if there are other constraints like DC line resistance, please keep this in mind or note it in your fab drawing. We determine the proper construction base on the physical attributes of the resultant trace, dielectric yields and Dk as defined by our process. Depending on the equipment and process chemistry used, there will be slight differences between fabricators. You can always request a proposed stack-up from your supplier so you can verify the construction. As long as you don't abuse this request, most should accommodate. A 10% impedance tolerance is a reasonable requirement, which you will not be charged extra. Externally, impedances are a bit harder to control because we use an additive plating process to define the circuit, so, as long as there are no isolated features this should not be a problem. Best regards, Don Sionne Account Manager don@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Gorilla Circuits, Inc. 1497 Berger Drive San Jose, CA 95112 Phone: 408.294.9897 ex:122 Fax: 408.297.1540 Cell: 408.807.8950 -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of kobik74 Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 1:38 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] controlled impedance requirements Hi gurus How do you specify to the PCB manufacturer the controlled impedance requirements Except the layer stack up, layer thickness (oz), board thickness and text that define the controlled impedance for signals in each layer do you also define the PCB material type (Er, Silkscreen, Solder =85), inner dielectric thickness or you trust the manufacturer to reach the controlled impedance? How much tolerance do you permit? Thanks in advance Kobi ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu