Jim- The internal self inductance of the lead will increase, due to the high permeability of the iron, which in turn will increase the loop inductance. But it turns out to not be much of an issue above 1 MHz. There is another problem to watch out for, though. The skin depth scales inversely with the sqrt of the permeability. A high permeability means a thinner skin depth at lower frequency than in copper. This means at about 1 MHz, the current is mostly on the outer surface and there are no internal magnetic field lines in the high permeability material, so no impact on the loop inductance. I gave a presentation about 15 years ago on the loop inductance of alloy 42 lead frames vs copper lead frames and showed at 100 kHz, the loop inductance of the alloy 42 (high permeability) was about 5x that of the copper lead frame, but by 10 MHz, the loop inductance of the alloy 42 had dropped to the same as the copper lead frame. However, the problem with the high permeability material is the skin depth is so small. This means the series resistance of your lead can potentially by much higher than an equivalent copper lead, by 10-100x. The plating will help to buffer this problem, which is what self equalizing cables do, as you point out. The trick that used to be used on alloy 42 lead frames was to over plate the lead frame with 80 microinches of silver. This provided a wire bondable surface on one end, a solderable surface on the other and gave good DC and low frequency resistance. You'll want to put in the numbers to see what thickness plating you need to achieve your low frequency resistance specs. Of course, it its short enough, it may not matter. --eric ************************************** Dr. Eric Bogatin, President Bogatin Enterprises, LLC Setting the Standard for Signal Integrity Training 26235 w 110th terr Olathe, KS 66061 v: 913-393-1305 f: 913-393-0929 c:913-424-4333 e:eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.BeTheSignal.com Upcoming Signal Integrity Classes San Jose: EPSI, BBDP, DTV, April 7-11, 2008 **************************************** -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Nadolny Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 4:20 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] connector design question Greetings, I'm designing a high speed digital connector and to meet some mechanical requirements I am looking at a pin made of an iron alloy with gold plating. The gold plating will get me the required contact physics properties for durability, contact resistance, etc. but I got to thinking about the iron alloy base material. The self partial inductance of the contact will increase due to the permeability but the loop inductance won't change (compared to a non ferrous base material). And the capacitive coupling should not be affected at all as that is driven by the potential distribution in the pin field. In short, I don't think the SI characteristics of the connector are affected much by the use of a ferrous base material in the signal pin. I am not looking at this as a self equalized connector - the length is only 0.5". And it's not an RF connector where intermod distortion is an issue. That said - I figured I would get the collective input from the group, I could use some unbiased feedback here... Thanks in advance. Jim Nadolny ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu