zhangkun 29902 wrote: >Scott > >I use Ansoft Maxwell 2D to simulate the crosstalk between differential pairs >without ground plane. The EM field should be of TEM mode. > > > Zhangkun, There are several possibilities. First, it is very difficult to measure this sort of structure. Additional modes are very easy to excite, so be sure that you are not exciting additional modes. In HFSS, you may have the same problem if the ports for the differential pairs are close together. If you have not done so already, your test structure should have the ability to separate the differential pairs at the port, so that there is no coupling. Second, you may need to use a much lower error energy in Maxwell 2D in order to force a higher mesh density. This will give you a much more accurate result. If you are interested in crosstalk at one particular frequency, then I would suggest using the impedance and admittance matrices to create a w-element model, as it will include the effect of finite field penetration at high frequencies within the conductors. Third, the computation boundary in Maxwell 2D can also cause significant errors if the structure you are extracting is placed too close to the outside bounding box. Keep enlarging you box, until your matrices do not change significantly, or produce a plot of the electric and magnetic fields lines to determine if the boundary is interferring with your solution. regards, scott Scott McMorrow Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC 121 North River Drive Narragansett, RI 02882 (401) 284-1827 Business (401) 284-1840 Fax (503) 750-6481 Cellular http://www.teraspeed.com Teraspeed is the registered service mark of Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu