Chris - I agree with Bob, layers 2 and 11 have to be signal layers for reasons he describes below. Remember that a micro via, because of aspect ratio limitations, can't penetrate more than 1, maybe 2, layers. here's a quick thought on a 12 layer stackup (no allowance for any core power here). 1 - breakout/gnd 2 - uvia layer (you can route signals on this layer also) 3 - G 4 - Sig 5 - Sig 6 - IO power 7 - Ground 8 - Sig 9 - Sig 10 - Ground 11 - uvia layer (you can route signals on this layer also) 12 - Breakout/Ground regards, Jim Peterson Honeywell -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of rsefton@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:42 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Chris McGrath' Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Stackups with Microvias =0D =0D Chris - Layer 2 would typically be a signal layer for this. You microvia down to la= yer 2 and break out from there where you don't have to contend with the BGA= pads. On layer layer 2 you just have to route around the microvia (si= gnal) pads and through-hole via (power & ground) anti-pads.=0D Bob S. On Wed Feb 16 15:05 , "Chris McGrath" sent: =0D When designing a microvia breakout (microvia from surface to layer immediately below it), is it still preferable to have a ground layer on layer 2 or can it be a power layer? Can anybody offer some advice about microvia breakout as it relates to stackup assuming that the surface layer is flooded with ground except for thru-holes and component pads? My thinking was (for an example twelve layer stackup): 1 - Breakout/Ground 2 - Power1 3 - Ground 4 - Sig 5 - Sig 6 - Ground 7 - Ground 8 - Sig 9 - Sig 10 - Ground 11 - Power2 12 - Breakout/Ground I'm wide open to suggestions. Our board will probably be 20-24 layers, but this is just an example that mainly pertains to the question of microvia breakout. Thanks, Chris ------------------------------------------ Chris McGrath Sr. Hardware Engineer ADIC ph: (607) 241-4858 eM: chris.mcgrath@xxxxxxxx[1] ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[2] with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject f= ield or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/= si-list[3] For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[4] with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki= .pl\?Si-List_FAQ[5] List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org[6] List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archive= s/si-list[7] or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/g= roup/si-list/messages[8] Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu[9] =0D = --- Links --- 1 3D"javascript:top.opencompose('chris.mcgrath@xxxxxxxx','','',''= 2 3D"javascript:top.opencompose('si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx','',''= 3 3D"parse.pl?redirect=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.freelists.org%2Fwebpage%2Fs= 4 3D"javascript:top.opencompose('si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx','',''= 5 3D"parse.pl?redirect=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fsi-list.org%2Fwiki%2Fwiki.pl%3F= 6 3D"parse.pl?redirect=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.si-list.org" 7 3D"parse.pl?redirect=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.freelists.org%2Farchives%2F= 8 3D"parse.pl?redirect=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fgroups.yahoo.com%2Fgroup%2Fsi-l= 9 3D"parse.pl?redirect=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.qsl.net%2Fwb6tpu" ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu