Hi Patrick, Not really sure about your question.. could you describe further? Certainly the propagation velocity is faster on a surface trace as: Vp = c / square root Er effective, (on surface traces a percentage of the field is in air ) ~0.65 c compared to 0.5 the speed of light on a stripline configuration in FR4 . This will mean a surface trace can be somewhat longer before you need to take transmission line effects into account. However surface traces are harder to control accurately for impedance purposes so the answer is really going to depend on what you need to achieve.. Kind regards Martyn Gaudion P.S. The PCB industry often use the term dual stripline to refer to two uncoupled striplines usually running at 90 degrees to each other. Usually differential structures will be referred to as either edge coupled striplines for diff pairs coupled on the same layer, or broadside coupled if the pair is coupled across a core. This application note is a handy reference: www.polarinstruments.com/support/cits/AP152.pdf (1.9Mb) At 14:15 03/07/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Gents, > >What is the speed threshold for the use of a dual stripline config on a >copper interconnect <12"? Can you achieve a higher speed with a microstrip, >or dual stripline structure, or does it really matter? > >Patrick > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from si-list: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > >For help: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > >List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu