I use LT-Spice from Linear Tech. It can do the things you want, and has a very strong user group as well. http://www.linear.com/designtools/software/#LTspice Curt Curt McNamara, M. Eng. P.E. // principal electrical engineer | electrical engineering Logic PD 411 Washington Ave. N. Suite 400 Minneapolis, MN 55401 T // 612.436-5178 NOTICE: Important disclaimers and limitations apply to this email. Please see this web page for our disclaimers and limitations: http://logicpd.com/email-disclaimer/ -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mallikarjun K Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 12:14 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Regarding considering a transmission line as lumped or distributed I am a from non-profit organisation. I don't access to these 3D/2D solvers. i am simulating things with free simulation softwares like MC10. that's why i am understaning thumb rules, when they will be applicable and limitations On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:26 PM, <Joseph.Schachner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote: > Transmission lines are always distributed. We can approximate their > behavior with lumped parameter models but if there are performance > differences large enough to matter between the model and what we > observe then the model is too simple, so it's wrong. > > I don't actually know which rule-of-thumb for approximating true > behavior by lumped parameter model is closer to truth. I'm just > encouraging you, instead of seeking a rule of thumb, to aim closer to > the truth (ie, simulation in at best a 3D solver, or at least a 2D solver). > > --- Joe S. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List forum is accessible at: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List forum is accessible at: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu