See below link for a paper that discusses the overall impedance of a cable and how it relates to the impedance along the length of the cable: http://www.home.agilent.com/upload/cmc_upload/All/E206COMPTEST_METHOD.pdf May be somewhat applicable to longer PCB traces with fast signals. -- Daniel ----- Original Message ----- From: ryansatrom To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Question on varying the coupling ratio on a differential pair Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 17:08:31 -0000 Hassan- It has always been my understanding that the instantaneous characteristic impedance (at any point) of a transmission has only a slight frequency dependency. As we all know, Zo =3D sqrt(L/C). Inductance has a frequency dependence only at low frequencies, where there is an internal inductance caused by the fields internal to the conductor. But as frequencies increase, skin effect causes all the fields to travel on the exterior. At this point, the instantaneous inductance of the transmission line is for the most part constant. As for capacitance, I've always thought that it was a function of the size of the conductors and distance between the two conductors. Is there any frequency dependency to that? Now, return loss is measured from input to output of any given structure. Therefore we don't view return loss as "instantaneous". So when I think of impedance and return loss I see two different (although very related) values. Am I right? Is there something I'm missing? Regards, Ryan Satrom Everett Charles Technologies ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu