You wouldn't imagine the amount of kicking and screaming that had to be done in order to get Altium to incorporate that feature. JaMi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew W. Riley III" <drew3rdof3@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 12:34 PM Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Question about split gnd planes > Just a note, > >> As per I know no tool will allow you > >> to connect the AGND and DGND directly > > Allegro and the Altium package that I am now forced to deal with have this > capability. And I can't imagine that no others have the same capability. > > Cheers! > Drew > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ayan Bhattacharyya > To: weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx ; Manickavelu M. ; istvan.novak@xxxxxxxxxxx ; Ed Troy ; > si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 4:32 AM > Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Question about split gnd planes > > > Hi, > As per I know no tool will allow you to connect the AGND and DGND > directly....u can connect them through CAPs also... > Else in same ground plane u can maintain less noise interference by making > bottle-necks in the layout for the different noise sources. > "Istvan Novak"'s approach is a good one...ground guard signals also help a > lot ...specially for clock signals...around crystals. > Regards > Ayan Bhattacharyya. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of steve weir > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 4:47 PM > To: Manickavelu M.; istvan.novak@xxxxxxxxxxx; Ed Troy; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Question about split gnd planes > > Manix, no. There are many misconceptions out there about the myth of > ground and its relation to noise isolation. Those myths get > propagated into misguided applications of moats and such. Think in > fields and the misconceptions go away. > > Steve. > At 09:50 PM 5/25/2006, Manickavelu M. wrote: > >Istan, > >Is it not that the analog and digital grounds planes can not be connected > >together anywhere but only under the chip that sources the analog signals? > >Also that while coupling these two planes we should not use direct Cu plane > >connection but couple them via inductors? > > > >Manix, > >MindTree. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > >Behalf Of istvan.novak@xxxxxxxxxxx > >Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 6:26 AM > >To: Ed Troy; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Question about split gnd planes > > > >Ed, > > > >Splitting more than one ground plane in the stackup requires a lot of > >consideration, and mostly it is not necessary. Isolating a sensitive > circuit > >(e.g., analog input, low-jitter oscillator) may be a good idea, but instead > >of cutting a large solid ground plane, you may want to try first to put the > >circuit to be isolated on a grounded patch on a 'non-ground' layer. You can > >make ground surface patches under and around your circuit to be isolated, or > >you can put the patch on a signal layer. > > > >Regards, > > > >Istvan Novak > >SUN Microsystems > > > > > >From: Ed Troy <etroy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >Date: Thu May 25 15:38:33 CDT 2006 > >To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >Subject: [SI-LIST] Question about split gnd planes > > > >If you have a circuit board that requires a split gnd plane over a > >small section of the board, and you have several ground planes, > >should only one have the split (the one nearest the side containing > >the components that require analog ground) while the rest of the > >ground planes are continuous, or should the split section be on all > >ground layers? I would think that you should only have it on one > >layer. Also, if it should only be on one layer, I would imagine it > >would be best to connect it to the digital ground with one, and only > >one, via. Is that generally correct? What are some good references > >for layer stackups, etc? I know I saw one, once, but can't remember where. > > > >Ed > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > List FAQ wiki page is located at: > http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ > > List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.org > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu