One always needs a good quality reference clock in a PHY so getting it routed avoids a crystal on your board. If on the other hand, PCIE link is coming over a cable then a local clock source is needed. Of course in either case, the clock recovery process in the PHY has to multiply the reference clock to a frequency suitable for sampling the incoming data and adjust the phase only (when the same reference clock transmitter is using is available) or do full clock recovery by adjusting the frequency (as in the latter case where only PCIE data is available over the cable.) In either case, the clock recovery has to find the optimal place to sample the incoming bitstream (roughly in the center of the eye) but when there are two separate clock sources, as they are almost always a little out of phase, this process is a little more difficult. Kal -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pehr Andersson Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:16 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] PCI Express reference clock, is it needed? Hello dear readers, I have maybe a silly question that has been bugging me for a while, hopefully it will get answered so it's not bugging me anymore :). For PCI Express it is stated that the clock signal is embedded within the data signal. Why do we then need to route reference clock (REFCLK), that is an external clock signal for PCI Express? Would PCI Express data communication work even if we didn't have REFCLK? Say it we go over a cable for instance. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu