Ibrahim: I found a pretty good description in the following Agilent White Paper, "Jitter Measurements of Agilent Technologies OC-48 Optical Transceivers using the OmniBER718", by Nicolas Schmitt. Section 2.2 I've pasted the relevant portion here, minus figure 2, and the url, as well: 2.2 Sources of Jitter Duty Cycle Distortion (DCD) is the difference in the mean pulse width between a logic "1" and a logic "0". Variations of the mean pulse width cause DCD and directly impact significant instants from the ideal position in time by affecting their phase. Inter Symbol Interference (ISI) refers to variations of the significant instants (i.e. the ideal position in time for the signal to arrive) due to Data Pattern Dependent (DPD) jitter. It is a leading cause of signal degradation as peak amplitude, rise and fall time are affected. Ultimately, ISI becomes the limiting factor for signaling rate and transmission distance as clock and data recovery circuits cannot cope with the excessive amount of jitter induced by DCD. Figure 2 illustrates the effects of ISI and DPD on a digital signal. When different bit sequences are transmitted, variations of the peak amplitude, rise and fall times are observed. These variations can be related to the frequency content of the bit sequence propagating through the transmission media and is affected by many parameters such impedance matching, capacitance, inductance and dispersion. ISI can be minimised by careful layout and composition of a board and it is important to address these issues early in the design especially at higher data rate. http://ftp.agilent.com/pub/semiconductor/morpheus/docs/jitter_measurements2.pdf Hope this helps you. -----Original Message----- From: Ibrahim Khan [mailto:ikhan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:31 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: ISI Doug, Thanks for the simple and easy to understand reply. Have you seen any articles etc. on the subject to dig deeper. Regards Ibrahim -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Burns [mailto:dburns@xxxxxxxxxx]=20 Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 12:52 PM To: Ibrahim Khan Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] ISI Ibrahim, If you think of each bit of data as a "Symbol",then inter-Symbol Interference (ISI) is the effect preceeding symbols have on the current symbol. ISI is caused when a symbol is driven before the network has settled from a previous symbol. This means that the new symbol is being driven from a different operating point than other symbols. ISI can be predicted by deteriming the settling time of the network in question. A simple simulation of a single edge driving your network will give you the network settling time (or you could estimate just by looking at the total network length. To avoid ISI,You must operate your network such that you never drive faster than the network settling time. In general,this is impractical and you need to setup your simulation environment to identify the affects ISI will have on your circuit. Doug Douglas Burns Signal Integrity Software, Inc. 6 Clock Tower Place Maynard,MA 01752 www.sisoft.com > SI Gurus, > > Can you please explain in simple term what is: > > 1. Inter-Symbol-Interference > 2. How to predict (based on the data sheet etc) that we will encounter > ISI 3. How to avoid it > > Any literature out there that will explain it. > > regards > Ibrahim Khan > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To=20 > unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with=20 > 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to:=20 > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu