Now if you interactive tool could have used the acronym Field Effect Labor Diminisher, you would have had Sein Feld And that would have been funny.....8-) -----Original Message----- From: rich.evans@xxxxxx [mailto:rich.evans@xxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 2:49 PM To: mgreim@xxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] Re: Historical question: IBIS & Quad TLC? Actually, when the engineering group ("Signal Integrity Engineering") developed and supported the program we pronounced it "Sine". I guess it was the German pronounciation of "ei". When the software group got hold of it they started to say "Sane" instead. I don't know why, but "In-Sine" is not funny at all. enough historical trivia? cheers Rich ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Historical question: IBIS & Quad TLC? Author: mgreim (mgreim@xxxxxxxxxxxx) at internet Date: 11/1/01 9:08 AM For those on the list who are fans of hooked on phonics or Ex NBC Thurs night comedies you might have missed the clever naming. The DEC tool, if I remember properly was pronounced 'Sane', hence their interactive tool, was 'Insane'. Engineers are such funny and clever people. No wonder they always get the girl.......obligatory 8-) ;-) best regards, Michael Greim -----Original Message----- From: Ingraham, Andrew [mailto:Andrew.Ingraham@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 10:00 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Historical question: IBIS & Quad TLC? My introduction to DEC's in-house IV curve based simulation program (SEIN) was in about 1986. Soon after, the interactive version (InSein) was developed. We nicknamed it TurboSpice. You could draw a net, add drivers and receivers, and it would pop up waveforms on your screen in less than a second. We used SEIN as a quick first check on all board nets. It would simulate every single net on an Alpha CPU motherboard, complete with cache, memory SIMMs/DIMMs, and plug-in cards (PCI, ISA/EISA) in less than half an hour. It would generate and list all the wire delays, and flag any overshoot problems. Of course it was not considered as accurate as SPICE. But it was great as a quick "filter" to see where the problem nets might be, and then you could take those and investigate further with SPICE. And the speed made it good for doing "what-ifs" on your entire board, or looking at bus loading effects. Andy --- Bob Haller wrote: > Back at DEC (Digital) in the late 70's we had a tool call SEIN ... ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu