Well put! -------------------------------------------------- From: "steve weir" <weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 3:19 AM To: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: "Ground" strips between LVDS pairs > Bad habits die hard. One bad habit you want to break for certain is > copying magical mystery folklore design techniques. > > At audio frequencies shield traces work great. They are wonderful for > keeping junk out of high impedance Op-Amps. High speed digital > transmission lines are a different animal. As has been covered on this > reflector many times: Inserting guard traces is usually ineffective and > can actually create a tuned coupler. > > The most effective way to isolate signals that run over a reflection > plane is to minimize the height over the plane and maximize the > separation between aggressors and victims. If you can't meet your cross > talk numbers that way, consider altering your stack-up, routing layer > assignments, etc. One option always is co-planar wave guides. If you > know how to design them, then you can pull out that option when it is > appropriate. > > Steve > > > On 10/24/2011 2:56 AM, Jason Young wrote: >> Dear Experts, >> Often on boards with LVDS signals, for instance connecting an LVDS >> transmitter to a LCD panel, I see thin 'ground' strips running between >> the differential microstrips. These strips have a sprinkling of vias >> connecting them to the reference plane on layer 2. Either end generally >> has a via and they extend most of the way between the source and >> termination. I'm told the reason is to reduce crosstalk between the >> pairs. Can someone please explain this reasoning? >> Yours >> Jason >> Ps. Sorry for using the 'G' word. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> To unsubscribe from si-list: >> si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field >> >> or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >> //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list >> >> For help: >> si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field >> >> >> List technical documents are available at: >> http://www.si-list.net >> >> List archives are viewable at: >> //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >> >> Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: >> http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu >> >> >> > > > -- > Steve Weir > IPBLOX, LLC > 150 N. Center St. #211 > Reno, NV 89501 > www.ipblox.com > > (775) 299-4236 Business > (866) 675-4630 Toll-free > (707) 780-1951 Fax > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > > List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.net > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu