Hi, Since I posted my last message. There is no any public responses. And there is not much private responses as well. Here I forward one of the response. I don't think there is an easy Answer to my original question. But we should an industrial standard to follow. I don't see a clear description about this issue in FC spec. Anybody like to shed more light on this issue? Thanks! Jinhua -----Original Message----- From: herbert_lage@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:herbert_lage@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:48 AM To: chen_jinhua@xxxxxxx Subject: RE: [SI-LIST] The standard eye mask test Hi Jinhua, Since no one seems to have re-plied, I have inquired with our application experts for fiber-optics. Please find below our interpretation on how to carry out Fibre-Channel jitter measurements. This may not provide a complete answer but will hopefully get you started. Please note that some of it may strictly speaking only apply to optical eye pattern measurements. Here is the response: Fibre channel FC-PI (rev 13 = final) calls out OFSTP-4 (EIA/TIA 526-4A Optical Eye Pattern Measurement Procedure, 1997) in clauses 6.2.1 and 6.3.1 (optical interface specifications). Most of the mask testing will be defined in this reference ... except for code pattern. a.) Number of samples be taken for each test (hundreds/thousands/forever?). FC-PI (rev 13, now officially an ANSI document) Appendix A, Clause A.1.2.1 states "over at least 1000 bit times". 1000 samples seems to be the most common number in use (at various sites) for DCA based eye mask measurements. b.) What kind of trigger signal used for the test. Use recovered clock from CDR, or use golden PLL clock? FC-PI A.1.2.1 makes a suggestion of a recovered clock (ie. "derived from the data stream") but only mandates the use of a bit-rate trigger. For the derived clock the document refers to NCITS-TR-25:1999 ("MJS", Methodologies for Jitter Specification) for specifics. See clauses D2.2 and D2.3 which form the basis of eye mask jitter testing ... an issue related to eye mask testing. For lab testing most companies seem to use the trigger output of a BERT tester which is presumed equivalent to a low frequency tracking golden PLL. c.) What kind of data patterns should be used (CJPAT/PRBS or others)? Fibre Channel FC-PI rev 13 hints at patterns in appendix A.1.2.1 (by referring to the MJS document). Unfortunately, it appears that the MJS document does not specifically advise which of its patterns are recommended for eye mask testing. Our recommended patterns are K28.5 or PRBS 2^7-1 ... as they both run from min to max run length (ie. 1-5 bits for 8B/10B). As the run length for PRBS is slightly longer it is incrementally more challenging, but usually not noticeably so. Using valid 8B/10B traffic is most relevant to the application. d.) Not any eye mask violation can be accepted? Or a few violations can be accepted for TX output eye mask? No violations is pass. One violation is fail. The sample size is already quite small to guarantee error free performance. Best Regards, Herbert. -----Original Message----- From: chen, jinhua [mailto:chen_jinhua@xxxxxxx] Sent: 15 May 2003 22:00 To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] The standard eye mask test Hi, I know there must be someone in the list can give me help in this topic. The eye mask test is used in a lots standard specs for signal quality test. For example, FC standard specified the TX output eye mask and receiver input eye mask. When the eye patterns are measured in the lab, there are so many variations. The uncertainty of anyone of those variations can make the test fail or pass. Here I list a few variations: a.) Number of samples be taken for each test (hundreds/thousands/forever?). b.) What kind of trigger signal used for the test. Use recovered clock from CDR, or use golden PLL clock? c.) What kind of data patterns should be used(CJPAT/PRBS or others)? d.) No any eye mask violation can be accepted? Or a few violations cab be accepted for TX output eye mask? In general, is there any STANDARD PROCEDURES to make eye mask measurement with those standard specs? Thanks! Jinhua Chen Signal Integrity EMC Corp. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu