Ken; Thank you very much for taking time and explaining your experience. It is very valuable to me, I am also in process doing similar testing like you did before purchasing it. Thanks again. Regards; Don Pakbaz Silicon Solutions Engineering IBM Systems & Technology Group Email: pakbazf@xxxxxxxxxx Voice: (802) 769-5638 Tieline: 446-5638 Fax: (802) 769-5722 "Ken Cantrell" <Ken.Cantrell@src computers.com> To Faraydon 05/01/2006 10:30 Pakbaz/Burlington/IBM@IBMUS, AM <drew3rdof3@xxxxxxxxxxxx> cc "SI-LIST" <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject RE: [SI-LIST] Re: E-mail address harvesting (WAS; Re: Signal integrity and simulation) All - I bought the package. If you have a 3D solver and HSPICE capability, there is no value add. If you do not, it may be worth looking in to. I spent some time qualifying the software before purchase. One of the things that I did was to compare SAMTEC's high frequency lab data for the QTH/QTS 0.5mm series(PCI_Express app note) to AS/SIST simulation. Correlation was very good. I did another benchmark with multiple grounds similar to a motherboard with multiple daughter cards which produced good eye correlation. It is easy to use and inexpensive. I am not recommending it to anyone, and I am not affiliated with the group in any way. My contact with the group has been positive and helpful when I ran into issues/questions. From that contact, my guess is that they are unaware of the no advertising rule on SI List. I have sent them a separate e-mail informing them of this. Ken -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Faraydon Pakbaz Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 1:42 AM To: drew3rdof3@xxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: SI-LIST; si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: E-mail address harvesting (WAS; Re: Signal integrity and simulation) Drew; My apology for asking this...You probably had enough of "assist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx". I also was contacted to try this software. Just out of curiosity, have you or anybody in SI-LIST tried this software and can give "high" or "low" of this software. I have tried it but only the examples that is coming with the 30 day trail down load. I have not done my own design yet. Does anybody know If I am wasting my time or is there any merit to try it or better yet can recommend any similar software with of course affordable price?. Thanks in advance for your comments. Regards; Don Pakbaz Silicon Solutions Engineering IBM Systems & Technology Group "Andrew W. Riley III" <drew3rdof3@adelp To hia.net> <assist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: cc si-list-bounce@fr "SI-LIST" <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> eelists.org Subject [SI-LIST] E-mail address harvesting (WAS; Re: Signal integrity and 04/28/2006 06:01 simulation) PM Please respond to drew3rdof3@adelph ia.net Once was enough. Please stop e-mailing me. Most importantly, please quit your e-mail address harvesting tactics. Drew ----- Original Message ----- From: What-If Design Software LLC To: drew3rdof3@xxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 1:43 PM Subject: Signal integrity and simulation AS/SIST, the new low-cost signal integrity simulation software to prevent signal integrity problems in high-speed printed circuit board designs, can be found at www.what-if-software.com. AS/SIST contains a SPICE engine, 2D+ PCB Model Generator, IBIS-to-SPICE converter, Schematic Capture and Waveform Analyzer, plus extended Pulse Train Generation and Eye Diagram analysis capabilities, and AS/SISTBridge - a direct link to Matlab. AS/SIST, validated in practice against >2.5Gb/s differential serial data rate paths and 20ps rise time systems, is used to prevent problems such as noise, reflections, cross talk and lossy MTL effects in designs ranging from basic single-board layouts to differential signal system level multi-board layouts at high bit rates. It is a stand-alone tool that provides pre-layout PCB design solutions. With AS/SIST, you evaluate different PCB layouts, IC drivers and receivers, connector configurations and circuit alternatives by simulating what-if variations - as you design. At $695, AS/SIST is priced so that you can have a personal copy of significant simulation software with comprehensive and easily-understood operating instructions to get you up to speed quickly. Don't let the price fool you. AS/SIST was designed by world-class signal integrity experts who are dedicated to making excellent simulation software very affordable. You can evaluate AS/SIST free for 30 days. So judge for yourself. Visit www.what-if-software.com to try AS/SIST and compare it for value with any other signal integrity simulation software on the market. If you have any problems downloading, please contact us at assist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Thank you. 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